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Jul 3rd, 2013 at 9:29am
 


A CAVALCADE of former Queensland powerbrokers could face trial for a serious criminal offence nearly a quarter of a century after making one of the state's most intriguing Cabinet decisions.

Commissioner Tim Carmody, QC, has found evidence suggesting the document shredding at the core of the "Heiner Affair" was illegal.
That potentially puts everyone from former Queensland premier Wayne Goss to former treasurer David Hamill to former Attorney-General Dean Wells in the firing line.

Former MP Anne Warner, who was the minister responsible for the portfolio at the time, would also be in the frame.

The role of Mr Goss's then chief-of-staff, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, would also be closely examined in any trial.
But Heiner's central thesis, that this long-ago Labor government covered up child abuse, has been firmly rejected by Mr Carmody, who calls the accusation "scandalous, disingenuous and groundless".

His finding is the latest chapter in one of the state's most fascinating and enduring conspiracy theories.

Whistleblower Kevin Lindeberg has long argued that a 1989 inquiry headed by retired magistrate Noel Heiner into the old John Oxley Youth Detention Centre produced documents alleging child abuse.

Soon after the inquiry was abandoned, the incoming Labor government headed by Mr Goss won power from the Nationals. The documents were shredded after a Cabinet decision in early 1990.

After a year of deliberation, Mr Carmody's report, handed down yesterday, clearly finds that the act of handing the documents to the state archivist and putting them through the shredder on March 23, 1990, was possibly illegal.
The reason? The documents might have been needed in a potential legal proceedings contemplated by former John Oxley manager, Peter Coyne.

The Carmody Inquiry established conclusively that the Heiner Inquiry heard almost nothing about child sexual abuse.

But Heiner did hear hours of evidence from staff unhappy with the way the centre was being run under Mr Coyne, who in turn contacted lawyers to protect his reputation.

Mr Carmody found that a jury could conclude the Labor cabinet handed the documents over for destruction "to ensure that they could not be used in evidence if required in an anticipated judicial proceeding".

And that is a crime.

"Therefore, strictly as a matter of law, each of them is at risk of being convicted of an offence against section 129 of the Criminal code for their role in making cabinet decision number 162 of 1990."

To muddy the waters, Mr Carmody found the same body of evidence was also capable of supporting competing inferences "probably equally consistent with innocence".

And he further found a guilty verdict would probably be quashed on appeal on the basis of reasonable doubt given to Goss and his cabinet.

"In any event, the balance of policy and public interest considerations, including the lapse of time, does not favour a criminal justice response."

The ball is now in the court of Queensland Attorney-General Jarrod Bleijie, who will consider handing the matter to the Department of Public Prosecutions.

Supporters of the Heiner Affair, with nearly a dozen inquiries and investigations behind it, will possibly be given a new lease of life with Mr Carmody's finding.

But while Mr Bleijie was giving little away yesterday afternoon, his demeanour suggested he was not overly enthusiastic about putting an old Labor babinet in the dock over a technicality.

"I will consider the report's recommendation to refer the matter to the Director of Public Prosecutions," he said.
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Reply #1 - Jul 3rd, 2013 at 9:31am
 
Is this another article from 1982 or something new?
Link would be good.
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Reply #2 - Jul 3rd, 2013 at 9:31am
 
The incident at the centre of all this was the gang rape of an aboriginal girl in the detention centre. Several of the men admitted their part but no charges were laid.
The evidentiary material was shredded.
Where are all the feminists and indigenous activists now?

Courier Mail 1/7/13
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Reply #3 - Jul 3rd, 2013 at 9:32am
 
Good to see the libs at it again ..... drag up some pretend scandal from 20 yrs ago, make all sorts of accusations and hope no one ever asks for evidence.

I can't say I blame them, it's worked for them in the past
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Reply #4 - Jul 3rd, 2013 at 9:42am
 
A guy from One Nation (Scott Balson) tried to make an issue of this back in the late 1990s. There were rumblings amongst One Nation that its downfall was really about this issue.
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Reply #5 - Jul 3rd, 2013 at 9:57am
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 3rd, 2013 at 9:31am:
Is this another article from 1982 or something new?
Link would be good.



Yes, it would wouldn't it.

Not that hard to do, people.

http://www.news.com.au/national-news/queensland/state-labor-cabinet8217s-1990-82...
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Reply #6 - Jul 3rd, 2013 at 10:32am
 
Wrong, it's from 2 days ago. An enquiry report just released. I'm sure you can find it in the Courier Mail of 1/7/13.
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Reply #7 - Jul 3rd, 2013 at 10:36am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 3rd, 2013 at 10:32am:
Wrong, it's from 2 days ago. An enquiry report just released. I'm sure you can find it in the Courier Mail of 1/7/13.



What's "wrong"?

The link I provided goes to the story you posted.

It also clearly states that it is from the Courier Mail.

"Michael Madigan
From: The Courier-Mail
July 02, 2013 12:00AM"







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Reply #8 - Jul 3rd, 2013 at 10:43am
 
The one thing that stood out was

His finding is the latest chapter in one of the state's most fascinating and enduring conspiracy theories.

Did everyone miss it?
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Reply #9 - Jul 3rd, 2013 at 10:47am
 
I suppose that's why the Commissioner has found probable unlawful acts, as did a Senate enquiry previously.
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Reply #10 - Jul 3rd, 2013 at 10:48am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 3rd, 2013 at 9:29am:
Commissioner Tim Carmody, QC, has found evidence suggesting the document shredding at the core of the "Heiner Affair" was illegal.







Does Commissioner Tim Carmody, QC, live under a ROCK ?





THE documents that Kevin Rudd is alleged to have conspired to destroy to cover up the rape of a 14-year-old Aboriginal girl 19 years ago have surfaced. 
 
A portfolio of internal Queensland government documents, which will form the basis for a police prosecution over the case, has been obtained by The Australian.

The Opposition Leader's critics, including senior Liberal and Nationals politicians, have claimed that the evidence was destroyed when the Goss Labor government in 1990 ordered the shredding of documents compiled by an inquiry headed by former magistrate Noel Heiner into Brisbane's John Oxley Youth Detention Centre.

At the time of the shredding, Mr Rudd was chief-of-staff to premier Wayne Goss.

His critics claim that Mr Rudd would have sanctioned the shredding and that as a result, the alleged rape victim was denied justice.

But Mr Heiner was commissioned to investigate the administration and operations of the centre, and has said since that he has no recollection of his inquiry examining the rape case.

The Goss government said the shredding was done on legal advice after the Heiner inquiry was dismantled because it had been inadequately constituted by the previous National Party government in November 1989.

Mr Heiner last night blamed "politics" for the continuing claims of a cover-up.

"I am not interested in it," he told The Australian.

"It is a dead horse. It was a dead horse 20 years ago."

Asked why the matter refused to go away, he replied, "politics".


http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/national/shredded-heiner-evidence-turns-up/story...







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Reply #11 - Jul 3rd, 2013 at 10:51am
 
I have no doubt the Qld Premier will be pulling out all stops to get legal action moving here.
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Reply #12 - Jul 3rd, 2013 at 10:56am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 3rd, 2013 at 10:51am:
I have no doubt the Qld Premier will be pulling out all stops to get legal action moving here.


Really?  Did you read these sentences Mr 73?

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"In any event, the balance of policy and public interest considerations, including the lapse of time, does not favour a criminal justice response."

The ball is now in the court of Queensland Attorney-General Jarrod Bleijie, who will consider handing the matter to the Department of Public Prosecutions.

Supporters of the Heiner Affair, with nearly a dozen inquiries and investigations behind it, will possibly be given a new lease of life with Mr Carmody's finding.

But while Mr Bleijie was giving little away yesterday afternoon, his demeanour suggested he was not overly enthusiastic about putting an old Labor babinet in the dock over a technicality.

"I will consider the report's recommendation to refer the matter to the Director of Public Prosecutions," he said.

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Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 3rd, 2013 at 9:31am:
Is this another article from 1982 or something new?
Link would be good.

Oh LOL, I laughed and I laughed. When ever the conga line are on the ropes out comes the Heiner affair, too too smacking funny. Where is that women assaulter, Piers Akerman? He is usually close on the trail of this. You would think these dead sh it's would have learnt, but no, they still keep it coming. Grin Grin
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Reply #14 - Jul 3rd, 2013 at 11:05am
 
skippy. wrote on Jul 3rd, 2013 at 10:58am:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 3rd, 2013 at 9:31am:
Is this another article from 1982 or something new?
Link would be good.

Oh LOL, I laughed and I laughed. When ever the cona line are on the ropes out comes the Heiner affair, too too smacking funny. Where is that women assaulter, Piers Akerman? He is usually close on the trail of this. You would think these dead sh it's would have learnt, but no, they still keep it coming. Grin Grin


Its bordering on pathetic.

No policies & no Ideas but plenty of 3 word slogans yet the cheer squads keeps swinging.
It was 25 year old pillow whispers with Gillard that held the nation to ransom but now she's gone somehow they don't matter & this 20 year old stinking piece of diversion raises its head again.

Seriously release or at least talk about new ideas & vision going forward for once, oh you cant because Tony has none.
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