Karnal wrote on Jun 30
th, 2013 at 1:15pm:
Y, of course you’re mistaken. All of your points have been calmly rebutted here with references. Surely you’ve read them.
Which is why you seek to up the ante by getting emotional.
What you don’t understand is that you alienate people with this sort of language. It doesn’t make them listen or come around to your point of view, it pushes them away. They listen to you even less, and it only proves their point of view correct.
You see this as a kind of victory, so you go on repeating the same point over and over again - for years. The more you’re ignored, the more self righteous you get. You believe you hold the
absolute truth
and anyone who calls it to question can
go to hell.
This way of thinking will always lead to error, Y. It can’t solve problems or work constructively with others. It can only attest to its own sense of despair, which is reinforced with every interraction.
The problem is not you, Y, it’s what you call the Moslem mindset. You’ve been fully indocrinated by it.
It’s good that you’ve acknowleged the problem. The next step is to fix it - if you chose to do so.
But if you don’t, you’re no different to any of the Islamicist knuckleheads you profess to hate.
Come with us, Y. You’re among friends. We’re all in this world together, regardless of our beliefs.
In the end, these matter squat. We shall be judged by how we treat and respect each other - what we hold in our hearts, not our heads.
You don’t need to worry about the Muslims getting the better of you. The only one we have here is G, and he’s very nice, as I’m sure you’ll agree.
We’re all friends. K,
I do not know who you are, nor do i know what your true motives are.
And i would not trust you, nor people like you, as far as i could throw you.You 'present' in this forum as a naive, and amiable, conciliatory advocate, between moslems and non-moslems.
What troubles me, is that people like yourself absolutely refuse to acknowledge the deeper [and obvious] concerns about ISLAM, which we [members of the non-ISLAMIC host culture] should be exploring/examining.
People like yourself, in forums like this one, continually urge us [non-moslems] to 'connect' and engage with moslems and with the moslem community.
But that urging still continues [from people like yourself] even when we [non-moslems] peek behind the veil that ISLAM uses to hide its true nature, and even when it is undeniable, that ISLAM is a deceitful, oppressive, and vicious philosophy.
My opinion is that, we should be continually confronting those moslems [who live among us] with what we have learnt about ISLAM's nature.We should be asking moslems to explain and scrutinise themselves, and ISLAM, and explain the apparent motives of a philosophy like ISLAM.
We should not be excusing moslems, and we [non-moslems] should not be [doing what we are doing!] joining with moslems, in helping moslems to build the facade of pretence and lies, which moslems are seeking to build, as the basis of the 'relationship' between moslems and non-moslems.
If we want a healthy relationship with moslems, then we should not be protecting moslems from the need for moslems to examine and to acknowledge truths about the [real and unacceptable] uncompromising nature of ISLAM.
And if that 'confrontation' [examination of truths] is 'offensive' to moslems, then good.
K,
To me, you are of that type of person, who will always make choices, but seek to disavow any responsibility for their choice(s), when any negative consequences of their choices become apparent.
....just like moslems.
As distasteful as the prospect may seem, to people like yourself, we are all going to be 'brought to book' for our poor choices, K.
That is what we must learn.
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