Karnal wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 10:35am:




K,

This generation have been indoctrinated [by our education system!] to believe that discrimination is a bad thing.

Prejudice can be called a bad thing, and unwise, but [good] discrimination [judgement] was something to aspire to, when i went to school.


['Prejudice' implies to pre-judge, to judge without being informed]


Dictionary;
discrimination = =
1 the action of discriminating against people.
2 recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.       good judgement or taste.

Y, of course you’re mistaken. All of your points have been calmly rebutted here with references. Surely you’ve read them.

Which is why you seek to up the ante by getting emotional.

What you don’t understand is that you alienate people with this sort of language. It doesn’t make them listen or come around to your point of view, it pushes them away. They listen to you even less, and it only proves their point of view correct.

You see this as a kind of victory, so you go on repeating the same point over and over again - for years. The more you’re ignored, the more self righteous you get. You believe you hold the and anyone who calls it to question can

This way of thinking will always lead to error, Y. It can’t solve problems or work constructively with others. It can only attest to its own sense of despair, which is reinforced with every interraction.

The problem is not you, Y, it’s what you call the Moslem mindset. You’ve been fully indocrinated by it.

It’s good that you’ve acknowleged the problem. The next step is to fix it - if you chose to do so.

But if you don’t, you’re no different to any of the Islamicist knuckleheads you profess to hate.

Come with us, Y. You’re among friends. We’re all in this world together, regardless of our beliefs.

In the end, these matter squat. We shall be judged by how we treat and respect each other - what we hold in our hearts, not our heads.

You don’t need to worry about the Muslims getting the better of you. The only one we have here is G, and he’s very nice, as I’m sure you’ll agree.

We’re all friends.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:


Rhetoric. Golan Heights wasn’t part of Israel in 1967. The Israeli borders were approved by the UN in 1948, based on the borders of British-occupied Palestine. You know this.

Golan Heights is occupied territory. It hardly matters what the Israeli foreign minister says.

Should I quote the Palestinian foreign minister for you?

The old boy’s ideas aboutTransylvania and Y’s thoughts that the Moslems have plenty of land are just attempts at distraction.

Israel is an occupying force, and this goes against its entire history, its culture, its reason for being.

And it brings you no end of problems.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 1:45pm:


It may sound futile to say that this is a very tough conflict, with huge consequences for Israelis - and its neighbours.

One thing you would achieve by handing back taken territory is the upper hand. You would get back your pride as a nation again.

And you would lose the stigma of being a country that imports wealthy Amerikans to settle land taken from evicted Arab farmers.

Every rocket fired into Israel would be seen as offensive, not retaliation against Israel for its military’s latest "accidental" killing spree.

Surely the benefit of being seen as righteous in this struggle is worth a few square kilometers of desert.

If they wanted peace in exchange for land.

How come rockets are landing Beersheba and Ashdod from Gaza?

They have all Gaza. Not one Israeli soldier is there. I promise you.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 2:32pm:


I’ll hesitate a rather simplistic assumption and say, perhaps it’s because negotiations are not taken seriously enough.

Surely if you had the UN in there complete with multinational peacekeeping forces brokering the deal, you’d get your peace for land.

My observation is that Israeli politicians - like Arabs - don’t like to back down or lose face. I can understand this. It’s how middle eastern politics are.

Your problem in dealing with Arabs/Palestinians is that they are not united. Fatah can say one thing, and Hamas another. Or Hezbollah can ignore the whole thing entirely.

But from this side of the middle east, I can say that Israel appears to be the aggressor here, so imagine how it must seem to Arabs.

If you don’t change, the conflict will continue for ever.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 2:47pm:


Soren and Yadda, like me, have no idea. But they see Israel as the front line in their relentless crusade against Muselmen/Moslems. For them, Israel is holding out against the Islamification of the entire planet, but more than anything, they’re just happy to see someone put the boot in and teach the Muselmen who’s boss.

They supported the invasion of Iraq for the same reason, despite the fact Saddam and the Ba’ath Party were secular. But in other conflicts, they want out. They’re happy to see the civil war in Syria take out as many Moslems as possible. They’d prefer to see the entire Middle East in a perpetual state of war, merely to satisfy their own belief that Muslims are warring barbarians. They have no ability to see conflict in the world without reference to Islam.

They were strangely quiet on the Arab Spring. It was as if it never happened - the old boy will tell you it didn’t.

Any complexity in Middle Eastern or Central Asian politics comes down to Islam. Geopolitics, peak oil, the Cold War, globalization, capitalism, socialism, feudalism - none of this has mattered since Sept 11, when the Muselman appeared as historical arch-villain and all-time enemy of the West. We woke up one day, and there he was.

Muslims - from Java to Turkey - are all the same. They have beards, wear turbans, and burn effiges of Uncle Sam. They all stone their wives for adultery. They all pour acid in their daughters’ faces. They all kidnap Western tourists and behead Western jounalists.

They learn this from their instruction manual, the Koran.

They’ll happily agree with everything I’ve just written, Avram, so no. It’s quite easy to be less hard-line than Soren and Yadda.

Actually, if you have the capacity for any thought process at all, it’s actually quite hard to be so dumb.

I guess we should admire the effort.

Karnal wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 10:44pm:



Who the bugger wants to reconcile with headhackers, fanatics and chauvinst barbarians? Islamism is as exclusive, oppressive and fanatical as Nazism. You go and reconcile yourself to nazis and Islamists, PB. After all, your only interest is the access to arseholes. Rich pickings in both camps (!), what?