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The Usual Suspects ~ (copyright Nicole Page) (Read 143775 times)
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Re: The Usual Suspects ~ (copyright Nicole Page)
Reply #630 - Oct 27th, 2013 at 2:50pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27th, 2013 at 2:45pm:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 27th, 2013 at 2:33pm:
Karl Marx was Jewish - why are you complaining?

So were Stalin, Lenin and Trotsky

the bastions of socialism

Herbert,

When you take credit and marvel at the achievements of Einstein you must also recognise the monster of Frankenstein


Neither Karl Marx nor Iosif Vissarionovich were Jewish.

Karl Marx was raised a Lutheran, his father having converted before his birth.  He was baptised a Lutheran.

Iosif Vissarionovich was born to Christian parents, baptised and raised a Christian, even attending a Christian seminary before becoming a revolutionary.

You do seem to be having with your claims Chimp_Logic...   Roll Eyes


so you agree with me that being Jewish is merely another Religious denomination.

So one relinguishes their Jewishness once thy abandon the teachings of the Torah - or old testament

In fact Orthodox Jews would also agree with you

Well Done

We achieved something today Herbert

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Re: The Usual Suspects ~ (copyright Nicole Page)
Reply #631 - Oct 27th, 2013 at 2:50pm
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 27th, 2013 at 2:07pm:
There was a global survey conducted about 8 years ago.

Over 115 nations involved, with almost 7 million people surveyed. They were asked many questions on differing topics and themes

The most respected and admired people were the Greeks

The most important contributions to western society were by the ancient Greeks

You cant argue with that

Even Einstein agrees that he would rather be reading the works of the ancient Greeks than studying physics



Garbage. What did the ancient Greeks achieve - not much scientifically, just fapping off with their philosophical crap.

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Re: The Usual Suspects ~ (copyright Nicole Page)
Reply #632 - Oct 27th, 2013 at 2:55pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27th, 2013 at 2:45pm:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 27th, 2013 at 2:33pm:
Karl Marx was Jewish - why are you complaining?

So were Stalin, Lenin and Trotsky

the bastions of socialism

Herbert,

When you take credit and marvel at the achievements of Einstein you must also recognise the monster of Frankenstein


Neither Karl Marx nor Iosif Vissarionovich were Jewish.

Karl Marx was raised a Lutheran, his father having converted before his birth.  He was baptised a Lutheran.

Iosif Vissarionovich was born to Christian parents, baptised and raised a Christian, even attending a Christian seminary before becoming a revolutionary.

You do seem to be having with your claims Chimp_Logic...   Roll Eyes


Thank you for your timely assistance, Brian. We have a live one here. He simply won't accept that it was the Ancient Italians from whom the Greeks pinched everything.

I believe the Greeks STILL haven't returned the Elgin Marbles to Italy where they stole it from the Piazza Venezia.
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Re: The Usual Suspects ~ (copyright Nicole Page)
Reply #633 - Oct 27th, 2013 at 2:56pm
 
Not so fast, Herbie.

Were the Romans the inventors of "cement" and "concrete"?  Did they build the Parthenon?

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The History of Concrete and Cement By Mary Bellis

Concrete is a material used in building construction, consisting of a hard, chemically inert particulate substance, known as an aggregate (usually made from different types of sand and gravel), that is bonded together by cement and water.

The Assyrians and Babylonians used clay as the bonding substance or cement. The Egyptians used lime and gypsum cement. In 1756, British engineer, John Smeaton made the first modern concrete (hydraulic cement) by adding pebbles as a coarse aggregate and mixing powered brick into the cement. In 1824, English inventor, Joseph Aspdin invented Portland Cement, which has remained the dominant cement used in concrete production. Joseph Aspdin created the first true artificial cement by burning ground limestone and clay together. The burning process changed the chemical properties of the materials and Joseph Aspdin created a stronger cement than what using plain crushed limestone would produce.

The other major part of concrete besides the cement  is the aggregate. Aggregates include sand, crushed stone, gravel, slag, ashes, burned shale, and burned clay. Fine aggregate (fine refers to the size of aggregate) is used in making concrete slabs and smooth surfaces. Coarse aggregate is used for massive structures or sections of cement.

Concrete that includes imbedded metal (usually steel)  is called reinforced concrete or ferroconcrete. Reinforced concrete was invented (1849) by Joseph Monier, who received a patent in 1867. Joseph Monier was a Parisian gardener who made garden pots and tubs of concrete reinforced with an iron mesh. Reinforced concrete combines the tensile or bendable strength of metal and the compressional strength of concrete to withstand heavy loads. Joseph Monier exhibited his invention at the Paris Exposition of 1867. Besides his pots and tubs, Joseph Monier promoted reinforced concrete for use in railway ties, pipes, floors, arches, and bridges.

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History

The word concrete comes from the Latin word "concretus" (meaning compact or condensed),[3] the perfect passive participle of "concrescere", from "con-" (together) and "crescere" (to grow).

Perhaps the earliest known occurrence of cement was twelve million years ago, when a natural deposit formed after an occurrence of oil shale naturally combusted while adjacent to a bed of limestone. These ancient deposits were investigated in the 1960s and 1970s.[4]

On a human time-scale, lime mortars were used in Greece, Crete, and Cyprus in 800 BC. The Assyrian Jerwan Aqueduct (688 BC) made use of fully waterproof concrete.[5] German archaeologist Heinrich Schliemann found concrete floors, which were made of lime and pebbles, in the royal palace of Tiryns, Greece, which dates roughly to 1400-1200 BC.[6][7] Concrete was used for construction in many ancient structures.[8]
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The Romans used concrete extensively from 300 BC to 476 AD, a span of more than seven hundred years.[4] During the Roman Empire, Roman concrete (or opus caementicium) was made from quicklime, pozzolana and an aggregate of pumice. Its widespread use in many Roman structures, a key event in the history of architecture termed the Roman Architectural Revolution, freed Roman construction from the restrictions of stone and brick material and allowed for revolutionary new designs in terms of both structural complexity and dimension.[9]

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Looks to me like the invention of both "cement" and "concrete" predates the rise of the Romans by a considerable margin, Herbie.   Roll Eyes

As for the Romans being responsible for building the Parthenon, I think we can file that with the claims about "cement" and "concrete", now can't we, Herbie?   Roll Eyes
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Re: The Usual Suspects ~ (copyright Nicole Page)
Reply #634 - Oct 27th, 2013 at 2:57pm
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 27th, 2013 at 2:37pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 27th, 2013 at 2:32pm:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 27th, 2013 at 2:04pm:
Herbert.

Even Einstein understood where almost everything originated from - and that was the Greeks


It was all Italian.

It was the Italians who were hired by the Greeks to build their aqueducts and the Parthenon.


everything is Greek - the height of civilisation was the ancient Hellenic enlightenment periods

Undeniable fact

Einstein understood this fact

he should know

You aren't contradicting the great Albert Einstein are you?


Why should Einstein know?
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Re: The Usual Suspects ~ (copyright Nicole Page)
Reply #635 - Oct 27th, 2013 at 2:57pm
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 27th, 2013 at 2:50pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27th, 2013 at 2:45pm:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 27th, 2013 at 2:33pm:
Karl Marx was Jewish - why are you complaining?

So were Stalin, Lenin and Trotsky

the bastions of socialism

Herbert,

When you take credit and marvel at the achievements of Einstein you must also recognise the monster of Frankenstein


Neither Karl Marx nor Iosif Vissarionovich were Jewish.

Karl Marx was raised a Lutheran, his father having converted before his birth.  He was baptised a Lutheran.

Iosif Vissarionovich was born to Christian parents, baptised and raised a Christian, even attending a Christian seminary before becoming a revolutionary.

You do seem to be having with your claims Chimp_Logic...   Roll Eyes


so you agree with me that being Jewish is merely another Religious denomination.

So one relinguishes their Jewishness once thy abandon the teachings of the Torah - or old testament

In fact Orthodox Jews would also agree with you

Well Done

We achieved something today Herbert

good luck


Umm... okay ... I'm going to accept your congratulations.

Have a Nice Day, Chimpy.
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Re: The Usual Suspects ~ (copyright Nicole Page)
Reply #636 - Oct 27th, 2013 at 3:01pm
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 27th, 2013 at 2:50pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27th, 2013 at 2:45pm:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 27th, 2013 at 2:33pm:
Karl Marx was Jewish - why are you complaining?

So were Stalin, Lenin and Trotsky

the bastions of socialism

Herbert,

When you take credit and marvel at the achievements of Einstein you must also recognise the monster of Frankenstein


Neither Karl Marx nor Iosif Vissarionovich were Jewish.

Karl Marx was raised a Lutheran, his father having converted before his birth.  He was baptised a Lutheran.

Iosif Vissarionovich was born to Christian parents, baptised and raised a Christian, even attending a Christian seminary before becoming a revolutionary.

You do seem to be having with your claims Chimp_Logic...   Roll Eyes


so you agree with me that being Jewish is merely another Religious denomination.


It is also a Cultural association.

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So one relinguishes their Jewishness once thy abandon the teachings of the Torah - or old testament


Yes they do, by accepting the tenants of their religion which often stand at odds with their old (viz, the role and identity of "the messiah" in Judaism versus that of Christianity).  However, they don't relinquish their ancestry or its associated Cultural associations.

I take that this means you admit you were wrong to claim that Karl Marx and Iosif Vissarionovich were Jews?  If so, why did you claim it in the first place?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #637 - Oct 27th, 2013 at 3:14pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27th, 2013 at 3:01pm:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 27th, 2013 at 2:50pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27th, 2013 at 2:45pm:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 27th, 2013 at 2:33pm:
Karl Marx was Jewish - why are you complaining?

So were Stalin, Lenin and Trotsky

the bastions of socialism

Herbert,

When you take credit and marvel at the achievements of Einstein you must also recognise the monster of Frankenstein


Neither Karl Marx nor Iosif Vissarionovich were Jewish.

Karl Marx was raised a Lutheran, his father having converted before his birth.  He was baptised a Lutheran.

Iosif Vissarionovich was born to Christian parents, baptised and raised a Christian, even attending a Christian seminary before becoming a revolutionary.

You do seem to be having with your claims Chimp_Logic...   Roll Eyes


so you agree with me that being Jewish is merely another Religious denomination.


It is also a Cultural association.

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So one relinguishes their Jewishness once thy abandon the teachings of the Torah - or old testament


Yes they do, by accepting the tenants of their religion which often stand at odds with their old (viz, the role and identity of "the messiah" in Judaism versus that of Christianity).  However, they don't relinquish their ancestry or its associated Cultural associations.

I take that this means you admit you were wrong to claim that Karl Marx and Iosif Vissarionovich were Jews?  If so, why did you claim it in the first place?   Roll Eyes


I can switch within the polemic because the neuroticism of Jewishness aren't really important to me personally

It does however highlight how one can shift definitions to suit the trivial arguments at the time.

Remember Bob Dylan (Zimmerman) relinguished his Judaism for Christianity in the 1980s - that must mean he stopped being Jewish.

Can a Jew call themselves an atheist?

To point to cultural links of being Jewish, implies a definitional change to the meaning of the word Jew.

People need to make that clear when deciding who is be referred to as a Jew and who is not.

Frankly I don't give a dam
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Reply #638 - Oct 27th, 2013 at 3:26pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27th, 2013 at 2:56pm:
Not so fast, Herbie.

Were the Romans the inventors of "cement" and "concrete"?  Did they build the Parthenon?

Looks to me like the invention of both "cement" and "concrete" predates the rise of the Romans by a considerable margin, Herbie.   Roll Eyes

As for the Romans being responsible for building the Parthenon, I think we can file that with the claims about "cement" and "concrete", now can't we, Herbie?   Roll Eyes


Okay, Brian, I didn't know concrete predated the ancient Romans.

I saw a doco which claimed that cement or concrete was invented by the Italians.

There's a huge dome in Rome or Naples or? that was a cutting-edge first in architectural construction. The method used required no braces or underpinning.

The weight of the dome was its own support ~ like an arch that holds up because of its own 'leaning' weight and the keystone.

They've found ancient graffiti on the Parthenon saying things like 'Eat at Joe's', and 'Romeo L Juliet', and 'Mario's Cafe for Good Spaghetti'
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Reply #639 - Oct 27th, 2013 at 3:39pm
 
Herbert

being Swedish in origin and living in Australia, I really cant understand why you have so much anger and envy towards the ancient Greeks.

Once a upon a time, the centre for Judaism was in the Northern Greek city of Thessaloniki. During WW2 the Greeks (mainly through the Orthodox Church) saved many thousands of local Jewish people from being deported to concentration camps in Nazi Germany.

you would know this I suspect, and yet you trivialise and detest the achievements of the ancient greek enlightenment periods

I have studied Western Human History and civilisations in detail at University and the ancient Greeks stand out like a beacon. Our Lecturer for antiquity spent a lot of time on this period. Its very important.

I don't know of any academic or person who takes an interest in these sorts of topics that would agree with you public remarks

Did you have a bad time with a Greek girlfriend or something?

Surely there must be a reason for your hatred?

Do you feel threatened?
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Reply #640 - Oct 27th, 2013 at 4:40pm
 
What importance did your university lecturer place on Britain's formulation of the Common Law, universal suffrage, education-for-all, Free medicine and hospitals for the masses, the emancipation of the slaves, the introduction of true democracy to the world, the Westminster parliamentary system, the Industrial revolution, and the Empire years that gave rise to modern civilisation and the creation of eventual First World nations across the globe?

Just black-armband negativism?

Okay Chimp ~ I've been pulling your chain and having a lend of you (as Brian could have told you). I was wondering how you would react to a little stonewalling and scepticism on my part. You've conducted yourself very well.

I have the utmost respect for the Ancient Greeks (except for their overwhelming interest in buggery, to the exclusion of attending to their own wives).

They were incredibly gifted, and I have to say I have a suspicion that the Ancient Egyptians and Arabs may have had some influence upon this whole era of academic enlightenment.

And let's not forget the Italians.

Remember the enormous library in Alexandria ~ and the tens of thousands of learned treatise and thesis that were contained in those scrolls? And how it all burned down and was lost to posterity?

You could almost weep to think of the treasures that lay in those documents that were compiled over hundreds of years.






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Reply #641 - Oct 27th, 2013 at 4:58pm
 
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except for their overwhelming interest in buggery, to the exclusion of attending to their own wives


How do you know this?
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Reply #642 - Oct 27th, 2013 at 5:05pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 27th, 2013 at 4:58pm:
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except for their overwhelming interest in buggery, to the exclusion of attending to their own wives


How do you know this?


I actually read this a couple of days ago.

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Diogenes Laeurtius wrote of Alcibiades, the Athenian general and politician of the 5th century BC, "in his adolescence he drew away the husbands from their wives, and as a young man the wives from their husbands." The form of homosexuality


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Reply #643 - Oct 27th, 2013 at 5:56pm
 
How many "firsts" can be attributed to the state of Israel?

How many "firsts" can be attributed to the Hebrews?

Everything is either ancient Greek, Babylonian, Persian or Egyptian

Has Israel been able to find any Hebrew artefacts in Israel today?

Interesting the Israelis keep digging but keep finding old Greek artefacts

Oh that's right, the Hebrews deliberately destroyed all remnants of their great civilisations each time they left an area.
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Reply #644 - Oct 27th, 2013 at 6:05pm
 
Has anyone read Prof Shlomo Sands book "The invention of the land of Israel"? or "The invention of the Israeli People"?

An academic who works in a Tel Aviv University.

I wonder if Shlomo is a self loathing Jew? The second level of demonization of Jews who deviate from the formal zio-fascist viewpoint. They obviously cant accuse him of being anti semitic, so its self loathing Jew.

Interesting how many Jews are actually classed as self loathing
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