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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Sea Levels continue to trend upward. Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 4:29am
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Reply #1 - Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 10:44am

for this time scale the data shows a strong linear correlation where the slope is a little over 3 mm per year

It is unlikely that this linearity will continue because there are tipping points and various positive drivers that come into play as the earths temperature rises.

What is expected is a departure from linear sea level rise behaviour to a bursts or exponential increases as these tipping points and positive rivers begin to act in unison etc.

Don't live near a coastline and expect your children to inherit a beach side property with low insurance premiums, or even a beach side property at all - perhaps a Venice style appartment

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25067 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Sea Levels continue to trend upward. Reply #2 - Apr 7^th, 2013 at 4:40am Oh, I dunno. I think this global warming stuff is just a myth.
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Reply #3 - Apr 7^th, 2013 at 7:53am

Do you know what the fudge factor is to the graph MOTR. How much have they had to make the past lower, make the present higher in this graph.

In other words, what are the adjustments from the raw data in order to get the picture they wanted, just like they do with the temp data?

http://joannenova.com.au/2012/05/man-made-sea-level-rises-are-due-to-global-adju...

http://www.climatechangefacts.info/ClimateChangeDocuments/NilsAxelMornerintervie...

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Reply #4 - Apr 7^th, 2013 at 8:48am

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 7^th, 2013 at 4:40am:

Oh, I dunno. I think this global warming stuff is just a myth.

Fascinating. I enjoy these intellectual conversations. You have such a talent there. What's your view on Symplectic Groups and Quaternion Representations in current research on the Grand Unifying Theory?

I'd be interested to know where you think the flaw is with global warming. Is it the uncertainty of feedbacks, or do you have an issue with the Greenhouse Effect itself.

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Reply #5 - Apr 7^th, 2013 at 3:23pm

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 7^th, 2013 at 7:53am:

Do you know what the fudge factor is to the graph MOTR. How much have they had to make the past lower, make the present higher in this graph.

In other words, what are the adjustments from the raw data in order to get the picture they wanted, just like they do with the temp data?

http://joannenova.com.au/2012/05/man-made-sea-level-rises-are-due-to-global-adju...

http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/guest/lansner/adjustments/sea-level-fig-2.jpg

http://www.climatechangefacts.info/ClimateChangeDocuments/NilsAxelMornerintervie...

You have had plenty of time MOTR. How much is the data fudged from the raw data. What is the anomoly raw data compared to adjusted data?

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Reply #6 - Apr 7^th, 2013 at 9:21pm

muso wrote on Apr 7^th, 2013 at 8:48am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 7^th, 2013 at 4:40am:

Oh, I dunno. I think this global warming stuff is just a myth.

Fascinating. I enjoy these intellectual conversations. You have such a talent there. What's your view on Symplectic Groups and Quaternion Representations in current research on the Grand Unifying Theory?

I'd be interested to know where you think the flaw is with global warming. Is it the uncertainty of feedbacks, or do you have an issue with the Greenhouse Effect itself.

You're a temperamental type person. I shall call you "Nancy".

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Sea Levels continue to trend upward. Reply #7 - Apr 7^th, 2013 at 10:05pm I live 300M above sea level It would be lovely to have the sea just down the valley a bit (goes to burn more coal)
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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Sea Levels continue to trend upward. Reply #8 - Apr 7^th, 2013 at 10:07pm Oh BTW are there any scenarios where the sea level will rise 300M I don't mind drowning the bottom dwelling scum suckers, but we Hill People must not be inconvenienced
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Reply #9 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 6:35am

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 7^th, 2013 at 9:21pm:

muso wrote on Apr 7^th, 2013 at 8:48am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 7^th, 2013 at 4:40am:

Oh, I dunno. I think this global warming stuff is just a myth.

Fascinating. I enjoy these intellectual conversations. You have such a talent there. What's your view on Symplectic Groups and Quaternion Representations in current research on the Grand Unifying Theory?

I'd be interested to know where you think the flaw is with global warming. Is it the uncertainty of feedbacks, or do you have an issue with the Greenhouse Effect itself.

You're a temperamental type person. I shall call you "Nancy".

So, you don't have a reason? It's just a feeling in your bones?

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Reply #10 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 6:38am

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 7^th, 2013 at 3:23pm:

You have had plenty of time MOTR. How much is the data fudged from the raw data. What is the anomoly raw data compared to adjusted data?

Do you think he might have better things to do than try to figure out exactly how proven liars like Joanne Nova perpetrate their lies?

It's quite easy to invent nonsensical data without providing sources.

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Reply #11 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 6:52am

muso wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 6:38am:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 7^th, 2013 at 3:23pm:

You have had plenty of time MOTR. How much is the data fudged from the raw data. What is the anomoly raw data compared to adjusted data?

Do you think he might have better things to do than try to figure out exactly how proven liars like Joanne Nova perpetrate their lies?

It's quite easy to invent nonsensical data without providing sources.

I see MOTR is in election campaign mode for labor. I wouldnt call that important.

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Reply #12 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 8:04am

muso wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 6:38am:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 7^th, 2013 at 3:23pm:

You have had plenty of time MOTR. How much is the data fudged from the raw data. What is the anomoly raw data compared to adjusted data?

Do you think he might have better things to do than try to figure out exactly how proven liars like Joanne Nova perpetrate their lies?

It's quite easy to invent nonsensical data without providing sources.

So after 30 years of freakin dire warnings of doom and gloom and countless $$Billions blown, just how many people have fu5ken well drowned????

Answer...NONE

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Reply #13 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 8:57am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 10:44am:

for this time scale the data shows a strong linear correlation where the slope is a little over 3 mm per year

It is unlikely that this linearity will continue because there are tipping points and various positive drivers that come into play as the earths temperature rises.

What is expected is a departure from linear sea level rise behaviour to a bursts or exponential increases as these tipping points and positive rivers begin to act in unison etc.

If you look at the OP's graph, are we hitting the first exponential growth over the last 2 year period ?

Too early to say, but what can be said is that the cooling the deniers are claiming as the end of global warming was a short term anonmoly which is now undergoing a rapid correction back to modelled warming.

Oh well.

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Re: Sea Levels continue to trend upward.
Reply #14 - Apr 8^th, 2013 at 9:08am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Apr 8^th, 2013 at 8:57am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2013 at 10:44am:

for this time scale the data shows a strong linear correlation where the slope is a little over 3 mm per year

It is unlikely that this linearity will continue because there are tipping points and various positive drivers that come into play as the earths temperature rises.

What is expected is a departure from linear sea level rise behaviour to a bursts or exponential increases as these tipping points and positive rivers begin to act in unison etc.

If you look at the OP's graph, are we hitting the first exponential growth over the last 2 year period ?

Too early to say, but what can be said is that the cooling the deniers are claiming as the end of global warming was a short term anonmoly which is now undergoing a rapid correction back to modelled warming.

Oh well.

Model warming. Wow, which model you looking at? I cant seem to pick 1 that models our temps and thats from atleast 100 models.

Care to share.

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