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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #75 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:46pm

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Liberty is just a word.

from the guy who bangs on about democracy, but gets terribly confused the minute we talk about the will of the majority.

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without a construct to give it power and force

Longy, I know you desperately want me to tell you who to send your letter of complaint to, but there are no simple answers.

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Democracy grants that while whatever system you support, does not.

Uh-huh.

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It is liberty that says that no government has the right to impose policies on the people that the majority want.

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Liberty does not ask if the policy is right or wrong. it says that the will of the majority is the ONLY arbiter

Sure...

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you have set to tell us what your opinion is on whether or not labor should repeal the CT in the face of an overwhelming and undeniable mandate.

I have already pointed out that they have already written that repeal into law. And no, I don't think they should. I think we should keep the carbon tax.

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax? Reply #76 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:50pm Yes fair point FW58, that is why the Chinese economy has been booming. They don't have to ask their people for any permission, they just do it. It makes me wonder if democracy is the best form of government. There again I would not want to live there. I am officially conflicted
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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #77 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:50pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:42pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:38pm:

There are a lot of other people making the same suggestion. But you need to have international cooperation for that to work.

just so long as we don't listen to actual voters, right? their opinion does not entitle them to a say in whether or not a CT is repealed?

and exactly how many of those voters do you think saw an off the cuff remard made during a spur of the moment interview 2 days before the election? It wasn't even repeated on the nightly news until after labor made the deal ... voting public didn't even know she had said it.

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perceptions_now Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11694 Perth WA Gender:	Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax? Reply #78 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:51pm So, IF the Carbon Tax is repealed, what existing tax or taxes will be raised &/or what new tax will be introduced, to offset the Revenue raised by the Carbon Tax?
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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #79 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:54pm

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:46pm:

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Liberty is just a word.

from the guy who bangs on about democracy, but gets terribly confused the minute we talk about the will of the majority.

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without a construct to give it power and force

Longy, I know you desperately want me to tell you who to send your letter of complaint to, but there are no simple answers.

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Democracy grants that while whatever system you support, does not.

Uh-huh.

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It is liberty that says that no government has the right to impose policies on the people that the majority want.

Right...

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Liberty does not ask if the policy is right or wrong. it says that the will of the majority is the ONLY arbiter

Sure...

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you have set to tell us what your opinion is on whether or not labor should repeal the CT in the face of an overwhelming and undeniable mandate.

I have already pointed out that they have already written that repeal into law. And no, I don't think they should. I think we should keep the carbon tax.

so you support the abrogation of the right of the australian people to have their wishes honoured? so dont bank on at me about not understanding what the 'majority' means. You quite simply dont care. you want YOUR way and YOUR policies which is why you dont like major parties.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax? Reply #80 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:55pm perceptions_now wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:51pm: So, IF the Carbon Tax is repealed, what existing tax or taxes will be raised &/or what new tax will be introduced, to offset the Revenue raised by the Carbon Tax? not the question. the question is one of PRINCIPLE.
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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #81 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:56pm

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:32pm:

[quote]Minority government is irrelevant...she is still PM and heads up the government. Or are you saying she spinelessly followed what the Greens wanted?

I am saying that you are wrong that she had every intention of performing an embarrassing back flip. It really is that simple. You are wrong.

The proof of the pudding in this case is not in the eating and it sat there for all to see as unappealing, rancid and unpalatable as it was. Her performing a backflip holds that she actually held and would stand by the other position which she did not. She's a cheap opportunist.
She has no integrity...zero...and the electorate now knows it...and you can say I'm wrong till the cows come home...because that does not change a thing my friend for many more believe you are in fact wrong as far as Gillard is concerned.

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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #82 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:57pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:42pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:38pm:

There are a lot of other people making the same suggestion. But you need to have international cooperation for that to work.

just so long as we don't listen to actual voters, right? their opinion does not entitle them to a say in whether or not a CT is repealed?

and exactly how many of those voters do you think saw an off the cuff remard made during a spur of the moment interview 2 days before the election? It wasn't even repeated on the nightly news until after labor made the deal ... voting public didn't even know she had said it.

ah ernie... your rehashing of history is as predictable as it is inevitably wrong. Gillard said no to teh CT multiple times and was reiterated by Swan on several very very well publicised occasions. you dont follows news very well do you? or do you just forget everything like SOB?

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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #83 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:59pm

namnugenot wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:56pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:32pm:

[quote]Minority government is irrelevant...she is still PM and heads up the government. Or are you saying she spinelessly followed what the Greens wanted?

I am saying that you are wrong that she had every intention of performing an embarrassing back flip. It really is that simple. You are wrong.

The proof of the pudding in this case is not in the eating and it sat there for all to see as unappealing, rancid and unpalatable as it was. Her performing a backflip holds that she actually held and would stand by the other position which she did not. She's a cheap opportunist.
She has no integrity...zero...and the electorate now knows it...and you can say I'm wrong till the cows come home...because that does not change a thing my friend for many more believe you are in fact wrong as far as Gillard is concerned.

Ha......melielongtime

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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #84 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 8:00pm

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:51pm:

So, IF the Carbon Tax is repealed, what existing tax or taxes will be raised &/or what new tax will be introduced, to offset the Revenue raised by the Carbon Tax?

I don't see what the problem is.

Abbott will follow standard policy since Menzies retired.

Under-Sell off very expensive and profitable state assets to foreign private and corporate interests

Totally trash the public service and reduce services such as health and education (except for the military budget which must never be touched because of explicit orders by our US masters)

Set up a welfare system for the rich and elite corporations and banks.

Remember the BIGGEST spending government in AUstralias history is the Howard government.

The middle classes and the poor always PAY

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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #85 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 8:04pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:42pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:38pm:

There are a lot of other people making the same suggestion. But you need to have international cooperation for that to work.

just so long as we don't listen to actual voters, right? their opinion does not entitle them to a say in whether or not a CT is repealed?

and exactly how many of those voters do you think saw an off the cuff remard made during a spur of the moment interview 2 days before the election? It wasn't even repeated on the nightly news until after labor made the deal ... voting public didn't even know she had said it.

ah ernie... your rehashing of history is as predictable as it is inevitably wrong. Gillard said no to teh CT multiple times and was reiterated by Swan on several very very well publicised occasions. you dont follows news very well do you? or do you just forget everything like SOB?

How do you know when pippylongylooser has nothing? ... he drags SOB into it .

care to provide evidence of where she said there will be no carbon tax other than during the one interview 2 days before the election?

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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #86 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 8:10pm

Pre-election
They will continue to drag the party line

Post election
(1) Accept the voters' mandate to the LIBs to get rid off the CT and remain in limbo for 6-9 years
(2) Be stubborn and allow Abbott to be the longest serving PM EVER

If they are going to accept the voter's mandate - they will need to do several things
(a) Stay with Gillard or get rid off her
(b) What sort of speech they will give about the CT
(c) What they will do in the Senate with the voting until July 2014
(d) The new look ALP front bench ala Rudd supporter and Gillard supporter - this issue won't go away. Gillard is damaged beyond repair. Rudd is close to political death as well given recent events

I remember Nelson giving a very sincere acknowledgement about Workchoices and a heart felt acknowledgment of the Aborigines

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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #87 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 8:12pm

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:51pm:

So, IF the Carbon Tax is repealed, what existing tax or taxes will be raised &/or what new tax will be introduced, to offset the Revenue raised by the Carbon Tax?

What for?

No carbon tax - no need for the other initiatives

The carbon tax was supposed to lower global temperature

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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78305 Gender:	Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax? Reply #88 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 8:14pm ohh ... Gumpy's into fairy tales !!!!!
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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #89 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 8:15pm

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 7:51pm:

So, IF the Carbon Tax is repealed, what existing tax or taxes will be raised &/or what new tax will be introduced, to offset the Revenue raised by the Carbon Tax?

How much will be taken from aged pensioners?
By how much will prices fall?

Better keep at least one state out of coalition hands, or we will be looking at a rise in GST.

Take note, cods....

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