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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #45 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:29pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:19pm:

cods wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:17pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:09pm:

Liberty. Democracy. Humanity. Sound familiar?

so do you know of any country without "democracy"..[ free elections] that also has humanity at the top of its agenda???
freedom to come and go at will...
freedom of free speech in the media..
freedom to vote

argue all you like about how hard done by you are in this country..

but until its taken away from you.... we really have no idea what democracy really is..

I suspect FD supports a form of democracy not as we know it. one that involves mysterious oversight - probably my minority parties.

Maybe a one party democracy with jails full of political prisoners and death squads. People like FD and Motr can't live with dissenters.

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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #46 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:32pm

namnugenot wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:29pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:19pm:

cods wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:17pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:09pm:

Liberty. Democracy. Humanity. Sound familiar?

so do you know of any country without "democracy"..[ free elections] that also has humanity at the top of its agenda???
freedom to come and go at will...
freedom of free speech in the media..
freedom to vote

argue all you like about how hard done by you are in this country..

but until its taken away from you.... we really have no idea what democracy really is..

I suspect FD supports a form of democracy not as we know it. one that involves mysterious oversight - probably my minority parties.

Maybe a one party democracy with jails full of political prisoners and death squads. People like FD and Motr can't live with dissenters.

an exaggeration but disappointingly, not a complete exaggeration. I think MOTR and FD would approve of a CT or other such action without law and enforced by force if necessary. Im serious, i think abrogating the rule of law and democracy would be considered by them as a valid tool.

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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #47 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:34pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:20pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:35pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:05pm:

Yes, that's an important point. The legislation to abolish workchoices was voted for by the Coalition because they knew the electorate wanted it gone. Will the Labor Party and Greens do the honourable thing and vote with the Coalition to scrap the carbon dioxide tax, given what is almost certain to be an overwhelming mandate for Tony Abbott???

The legislation to abolish workchoices was voted for by the Coalition

You sure about that ????

Positive. Check if you don't believe me.

You sure that they didn't just not oppose it ????

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Reply #48 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:35pm

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Although as was the case at the last election you can lie your ar$e off with every intention of doing the exact opposite

Is that what you think happened?

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when presented with the statement that democracy is the final arbiter of government you said NO.

OK I'll demonstrate for you. This is what it looks like when you use what people actually say rather than inventing you own fantasy debate:

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:55pm:

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garbage. godwins law is about identifying retards who have to use hitler as an argument because they lack the intellectual mettle to put a genuine argument forward. if you want to make a coherent argument as to why democracy should be subverted (which ironically is exactly what hitler did) then make one.

My argument is that democracy is not above all else and should never be seen that way.

Also, I have no respect for spineless poll following politicians or their cheerleaders.

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so in case I have misunderstood you can you categorically state whether or not you believe in democratic rule by the majority as the final arbiter of how government should operate?

It is not the only arbiter. But this is getting a long way from the carbon tax debate. In case you are somehow unaware, we arrived at the carbon tax democratically.

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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #49 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:37pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:14pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:10pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:08pm:

Was Abbott duty bound to vote for the Malaysian solution.

to vote for a policy that was not his and which he fundamentally and morally disagreed with? no. if there had been an election mandate for the policy that would be different.

What about an EST. Was Abbott duty bound to support an EST.

when you answer my question about labors obligation to repeal a CT then I will answer yours. IM guessing you will deflect. But at elast you are not suggesting a dictatorship as FD is.

I think you have your answer.

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #50 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:38pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:32pm:

namnugenot wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:29pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:19pm:

cods wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:17pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:09pm:

Liberty. Democracy. Humanity. Sound familiar?

so do you know of any country without "democracy"..[ free elections] that also has humanity at the top of its agenda???
freedom to come and go at will...
freedom of free speech in the media..
freedom to vote

argue all you like about how hard done by you are in this country..

but until its taken away from you.... we really have no idea what democracy really is..

I suspect FD supports a form of democracy not as we know it. one that involves mysterious oversight - probably my minority parties.

Maybe a one party democracy with jails full of political prisoners and death squads. People like FD and Motr can't live with dissenters.

an exaggeration but disappointingly, not a complete exaggeration. I think MOTR and FD would approve of a CT or other such action without law and enforced by force if necessary. Im serious, i think abrogating the rule of law and democracy would be considered by them as a valid tool.

I don't think its an exaggeration at all it wasn't that long ago there were calls by some to have climate "deniers" executed. That is people who hold a contrary opinion to them.

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namnugenot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 639 NSW Gender:	Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax? Reply #51 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:40pm freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:35pm: [quote]Although as was the case at the last election you can lie your ar$e off with every intention of doing the exact opposite Is that what you think happened? That is exactly what happened.
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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #52 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:44pm

namnugenot wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:32pm:

namnugenot wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:29pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:19pm:

cods wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:17pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:09pm:

Liberty. Democracy. Humanity. Sound familiar?

so do you know of any country without "democracy"..[ free elections] that also has humanity at the top of its agenda???
freedom to come and go at will...
freedom of free speech in the media..
freedom to vote

argue all you like about how hard done by you are in this country..

but until its taken away from you.... we really have no idea what democracy really is..

I suspect FD supports a form of democracy not as we know it. one that involves mysterious oversight - probably my minority parties.

Maybe a one party democracy with jails full of political prisoners and death squads. People like FD and Motr can't live with dissenters.

an exaggeration but disappointingly, not a complete exaggeration. I think MOTR and FD would approve of a CT or other such action without law and enforced by force if necessary. Im serious, i think abrogating the rule of law and democracy would be considered by them as a valid tool.

I don't think its an exaggeration at all it wasn't that long ago there were calls by some to have climate "deniers" executed. That is people who hold a contrary opinion to them.

Make it up as you go fellas. Your problem seems to be you can't handle people having a different opinion to the echo chamber. Who has said deniers should be executed.

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax? Reply #53 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:44pm If you follow longweekend's "logic" Opposition parties should vote for all Government policies. In fact, Opposition MPs shouldn't bother turning up to Parliament all, just take three years' paid holiday.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51808 At my desk.	Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax? Reply #54 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:46pm namnugenot wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:40pm: freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:35pm: Although as was the case at the last election you can lie your ar$e off with every intention of doing the exact opposite Is that what you think happened? That is exactly what happened. No it isn't. Not on this planet.
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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #55 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:53pm

[url][/url]MOTR wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:44pm:

namnugenot wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:32pm:

namnugenot wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:29pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:19pm:

cods wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:17pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:09pm:

Liberty. Democracy. Humanity. Sound familiar?

so do you know of any country without "democracy"..[ free elections] that also has humanity at the top of its agenda???
freedom to come and go at will...
freedom of free speech in the media..
freedom to vote

argue all you like about how hard done by you are in this country..

but until its taken away from you.... we really have no idea what democracy really is..

I suspect FD supports a form of democracy not as we know it. one that involves mysterious oversight - probably my minority parties.

Maybe a one party democracy with jails full of political prisoners and death squads. People like FD and Motr can't live with dissenters.

an exaggeration but disappointingly, not a complete exaggeration. I think MOTR and FD would approve of a CT or other such action without law and enforced by force if necessary. Im serious, i think abrogating the rule of law and democracy would be considered by them as a valid tool.

I don't think its an exaggeration at all it wasn't that long ago there were calls by some to have climate "deniers" executed. That is people who hold a contrary opinion to them.

Make it up as you go fellas. Your problem seems to be you can't handle people having a different opinion to the echo chamber. Who has said deniers should be executed.

[urlhttp://www.climatedepot.com/2009/06/03/Execute-Skeptics-Shock-Call-To-Action-At-what-point-do-we-jail-or-execute-global-warming-deniers--Shouldnt-we-start-punishing-them-now/][/url]

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax? Reply #56 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:56pm So it wasnt Freediver or myself.
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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #57 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:57pm

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:46pm:

namnugenot wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:40pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:35pm:

Although as was the case at the last election you can lie your ar$e off with every intention of doing the exact opposite

Is that what you think happened?

That is exactly what happened.

No it isn't. Not on this planet.

"There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead blah, blah, blah..."
Which planet are you on by the way FD?

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namnugenot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 639 NSW Gender:	Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax? Reply #58 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:58pm MOTR wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:56pm: So it wasnt Freediver or myself. Never said it was....
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51808 At my desk.	Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax? Reply #59 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:59pm On the issue of democracy, here is a thread where Longy, in addition to demonstrating comprehension problems, rejects outright an idea that would give us a democracy that truly respects the will of the majority. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1358051073/75
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