Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 3 ... 20
Send Topic Print
Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax? (Read 29461 times)
longweekend58
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 45675
Gender: male
Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:01pm
 
Given the now almost certainty that the Coalition will be elected to government in a landslide, the question comes about as to how the soon-to-be opposition ALP and the Greens will treat the undeniable mandate to remove the carbon tax. The Coalition will most likely not gain a majority in the senate and so will be wanting the new senate (or even the current one) to pass the CT repeal.

History shows us that in 2007 Howard lost an election that was a mandate for the removal of workchoices. Consequently, the Coalition voted for the repeal even though labor did not have a majority.  With Abbott looking at a 60+ seat majority and the biggest swing in history and an election based in large measure on repealing the CT, the existence of a mandate to repeal is undeniable.

So do you think Labor senators will vote for the repeal? do you think they should vote for the repeal? PLease give justification for your replies.

Note that I do not mention the Greens in this. The greens do not honour mandates or frankly. anyone else's opinions or even rights. They will do what they always do and vote how THEY think it should go.

I personally think Labor will support the repeal. The massacre heading their way will change their feelings greatly and not everyone in the party is as dishonourable as Gillard. They may see it as a first step in their restoration in the eyes of voters as a truly democratic and honourable party after the last 3 years of deceit. and they may also realise that voting against the repeal will only give Abbott a DD where they could get hammered badly. Voters get rather annoyed at parties that refuse to do as they are told at elections.

So... thoughts?

and please this is not a climate change debate. leave that out. restrict it to 'repeal or not' not a value assessment on the CT itself.
Back to top
 

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
IP Logged
 
Armchair_Politician
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 27894
Gender: male
Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #1 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:05pm
 
Yes, that's an important point. The legislation to abolish workchoices was voted for by the Coalition because they knew the electorate wanted it gone. Will the Labor Party and Greens do the honourable thing and vote with the Coalition to scrap the carbon dioxide tax, given what is almost certain to be an overwhelming mandate for Tony Abbott???
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 51802
At my desk.
Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #2 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:08pm
 
It is already official Labor policy to repeal the tax. I think it is already written into law.
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 51802
At my desk.
Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #3 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:09pm
 
Since when is spinlessly following polls seen as honourable for politicians?
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
longweekend58
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 45675
Gender: male
Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #4 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:11pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:09pm:
Since when is spinlessly following polls seen as honourable for politicians?


well there's that thing called democracy. you might want to look it up. it means the unassailable RIGHT to determine our own destiny as determined by the majority. it takes no concern over whether or not that destiny is ultimately right or wrong. Democracy is about the right to choose.
Back to top
 

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
IP Logged
 
longweekend58
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 45675
Gender: male
Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #5 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:12pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:05pm:
Yes, that's an important point. The legislation to abolish workchoices was voted for by the Coalition because they knew the electorate wanted it gone. Will the Labor Party and Greens do the honourable thing and vote with the Coalition to scrap the carbon dioxide tax, given what is almost certain to be an overwhelming mandate for Tony Abbott???


the greens wont. the whole notion of mandates and honour escapes their left-wing minds. Labor however may just do it. There is nothing like an enormous voter-given smack in the head to make people change their minds.
Back to top
 

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 51802
At my desk.
Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #6 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:26pm
 
Quote:
it means the unassailable RIGHT to determine our own destiny as determined by the majority. it takes no concern over whether or not that destiny is ultimately right or wrong


I see. You are one of those "democracy above all else" type of people? The sort that would back Hitler because he got voted in?
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
progressiveslol
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 17029
Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #7 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:29pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:05pm:
Yes, that's an important point. The legislation to abolish workchoices was voted for by the Coalition because they knew the electorate wanted it gone. Will the Labor Party and Greens do the honourable thing and vote with the Coalition to scrap the carbon dioxide tax, given what is almost certain to be an overwhelming mandate for Tony Abbott???

Yes but liberals are a party with integrity. Labor are a party of corruption, selling voters down the river. lying directly to the electorates face.

Chalk and cheese.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Dnarever
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 60833
Here
Gender: male
Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #8 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:35pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:05pm:
Yes, that's an important point. The legislation to abolish workchoices was voted for by the Coalition because they knew the electorate wanted it gone. Will the Labor Party and Greens do the honourable thing and vote with the Coalition to scrap the carbon dioxide tax, given what is almost certain to be an overwhelming mandate for Tony Abbott???


The legislation to abolish workchoices was voted for by the Coalition

You sure about that ????
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
MOTR
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6646
Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #9 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:36pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:08pm:
It is already official Labor policy to repeal the tax. I think it is already written into law.


freediver wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:09pm:
Since when is spinlessly following polls seen as honourable for politicians?



Exactly.
Back to top
 

Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."
 
IP Logged
 
Dnarever
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 60833
Here
Gender: male
Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #10 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:36pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:29pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:05pm:
Yes, that's an important point. The legislation to abolish workchoices was voted for by the Coalition because they knew the electorate wanted it gone. Will the Labor Party and Greens do the honourable thing and vote with the Coalition to scrap the carbon dioxide tax, given what is almost certain to be an overwhelming mandate for Tony Abbott???

Yes but liberals are a party with integrity. Labor are a party of corruption, selling voters down the river. lying directly to the electorates face.

Chalk and cheese.


Yes but liberals are a party with integrity

You conservatives are so funny.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
progressiveslol
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 17029
Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #11 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:37pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:36pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:29pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:05pm:
Yes, that's an important point. The legislation to abolish workchoices was voted for by the Coalition because they knew the electorate wanted it gone. Will the Labor Party and Greens do the honourable thing and vote with the Coalition to scrap the carbon dioxide tax, given what is almost certain to be an overwhelming mandate for Tony Abbott???

Yes but liberals are a party with integrity. Labor are a party of corruption, selling voters down the river. lying directly to the electorates face.

Chalk and cheese.


Yes but liberals are a party with integrity

You conservatives are so funny.

Yes it was a bit of an in joke  Wink
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
longweekend58
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 45675
Gender: male
Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #12 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:39pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:26pm:
Quote:
it means the unassailable RIGHT to determine our own destiny as determined by the majority. it takes no concern over whether or not that destiny is ultimately right or wrong


I see. You are one of those "democracy above all else" type of people? The sort that would back Hitler because he got voted in?


*invokes godwins law...

the fact you treat democracy with such patent disinterest says a lot about you as well. Im sure if you could get the greens in power and dissolve parliament you'd be a happy little vegimite.

until you were shot by the green shirts.

and yes. DEMOCRACY ABOVE ALL ELSE. way about dictatorship, totalitarianism and all the other alternatives.
Back to top
 

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
IP Logged
 
longweekend58
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 45675
Gender: male
Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #13 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:40pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:35pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:05pm:
Yes, that's an important point. The legislation to abolish workchoices was voted for by the Coalition because they knew the electorate wanted it gone. Will the Labor Party and Greens do the honourable thing and vote with the Coalition to scrap the carbon dioxide tax, given what is almost certain to be an overwhelming mandate for Tony Abbott???


The legislation to abolish workchoices was voted for by the Coalition

You sure about that ????


yes
Back to top
 

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
IP Logged
 
MOTR
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6646
Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #14 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 5:45pm
 
I think longy is a little bit worried the scientists might be right on CO2 driven warming. He knows when the record temperatures inevitably return, the Coalition will never be forgiven for this act of economic vandalism.

Just keep in mind Abbott is in a privileged position. He has no excuse for being hood winked by the media.
Back to top
 

Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 3 ... 20
Send Topic Print