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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78305 Gender:	Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax? Reply #15 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:45pm I think labor should take a leaf out of the libs rule book regarding asylum seekers ... 'we had the best way to combat carbon emmissions and we don't see why we should agree to anything less'.
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Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax?
Reply #16 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:46pm

MOTR wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:45pm:

I think longy is a little but worried the scientists might be right on CO2 driven warming. He knows when the record temperatures inevitably return, the Coalition will never be forgiven for this act of economic vandalism.

Just keep in mind Abbott is in a privileged position. He has no excuse for being hood winked by the media.

so cant argue the point of principle? this it not about ACC - it is about our parliamentary democracy and the principles and conventions under which it operates. Care to make a comment on the actual topic?

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Reply #17 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:50pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:45pm:

I think labor should take a leaf out of the libs rule book regarding asylum seekers ...

'we had the best way to combat carbon emmissions and we don't see why we should agree to anything less'.

ah the old leftist doctrine: subvert democracy and the rule of law at every opportunity.

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Reply #18 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:51pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:35pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:05pm:

Yes, that's an important point. The legislation to abolish workchoices was voted for by the Coalition because they knew the electorate wanted it gone. Will the Labor Party and Greens do the honourable thing and vote with the Coalition to scrap the carbon dioxide tax, given what is almost certain to be an overwhelming mandate for Tony Abbott???

The legislation to abolish workchoices was voted for by the Coalition

You sure about that ????

yes

My thought is that they didn't vote against it but also didn't vote for it either?

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Reply #19 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:51pm

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invokes godwins law

This is entirely appropriate when someone suggests that right and wrong have nothing to do with it.

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the fact you treat democracy with such patent disinterest says a lot about you as well. Im sure if you could get the greens in power and dissolve parliament you'd be a happy little vegimite.

Perhaps you should bother reading what I have written about democracy, and about Greens policy, before commenting.

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and yes. DEMOCRACY ABOVE ALL ELSE. way about dictatorship, totalitarianism and all the other alternatives.

Including right and wrong?

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Reply #20 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:54pm

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:51pm:

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invokes godwins law

This is entirely appropriate when someone suggests that right and wrong have nothing to do with it.

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the fact you treat democracy with such patent disinterest says a lot about you as well. Im sure if you could get the greens in power and dissolve parliament you'd be a happy little vegimite.

Perhaps you should bother reading what I have written about democracy, and about Greens policy, before commenting.

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and yes. DEMOCRACY ABOVE ALL ELSE. way about dictatorship, totalitarianism and all the other alternatives.

Including right and wrong?

garbage. godwins law is about identifying retards who have to use hitler as an argument because they lack the intellectual mettle to put a genuine argument forward. if you want to make a coherent argument as to why democracy should be subverted (which ironically is exactly what hitler did) then make one.

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Reply #21 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:55pm

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:51pm:

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invokes godwins law

This is entirely appropriate when someone suggests that right and wrong have nothing to do with it.

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the fact you treat democracy with such patent disinterest says a lot about you as well. Im sure if you could get the greens in power and dissolve parliament you'd be a happy little vegimite.

Perhaps you should bother reading what I have written about democracy, and about Greens policy, before commenting.

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and yes. DEMOCRACY ABOVE ALL ELSE. way about dictatorship, totalitarianism and all the other alternatives.

Including right and wrong?

who determines right and wrong? you? Until such time as God Almightly sets up court on earth, the highest authority in the land is the voting public. right and wrong is their determination.

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Reply #22 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:55pm

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garbage. godwins law is about identifying retards who have to use hitler as an argument because they lack the intellectual mettle to put a genuine argument forward. if you want to make a coherent argument as to why democracy should be subverted (which ironically is exactly what hitler did) then make one.

My argument is that democracy is not above all else and should never be seen that way.

Also, I have no respect for spineless poll following politicians or their cheerleaders.

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Reply #23 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:57pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:46pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:45pm:

I think longy is a little but worried the scientists might be right on CO2 driven warming. He knows when the record temperatures inevitably return, the Coalition will never be forgiven for this act of economic vandalism.

Just keep in mind Abbott is in a privileged position. He has no excuse for being hood winked by the media.

so cant argue the point of principle? this it not about ACC - it is about our parliamentary democracy and the principles and conventions under which it operates. Care to make a comment on the actual topic?

The point of principle is that the Coalition will have to win control of both houses before they can pass legislation.

The Coalition removed some of the excesses of Work Choices because they did not want to maintain ownership of it. Labor is going to the people proud of their legislation.

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Reply #24 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:02pm

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:55pm:

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garbage. godwins law is about identifying retards who have to use hitler as an argument because they lack the intellectual mettle to put a genuine argument forward. if you want to make a coherent argument as to why democracy should be subverted (which ironically is exactly what hitler did) then make one.

My argument is that democracy is not above all else and should never be seen that way.

Also, I have no respect for spineless poll following politicians or their cheerleaders.

then what IS above democracy? Ive said that God is but other than Him. exactly who or what do you suggest is above democracy and how is that super-democratic rule imposed or decided?

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Reply #25 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:04pm

MOTR wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:57pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:46pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:45pm:

I think longy is a little but worried the scientists might be right on CO2 driven warming. He knows when the record temperatures inevitably return, the Coalition will never be forgiven for this act of economic vandalism.

Just keep in mind Abbott is in a privileged position. He has no excuse for being hood winked by the media.

so cant argue the point of principle? this it not about ACC - it is about our parliamentary democracy and the principles and conventions under which it operates. Care to make a comment on the actual topic?

The point of principle is that the Coalition will have to win control of both houses before they can pass legislation.

The Coalition removed some of the excesses of Work Choices because they did not want to maintain ownership of it. Labor is going to the people proud of their legislation.

so MOTR what if the people vote in a massive landslide against labor with repealing the CT the core of the campaign? do you think that morally entitles Labor to snumb the unequivocal rejection of tje CT? what if Abbot held a plebiscite on repealing the CT. do you think labor is duty-bound to reject it then?

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax? Reply #26 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:08pm Was Abbott duty bound to vote for the Malaysian solution. Perhaps that's what Gillard should have done. A plebiscite on the Malaysian solution.
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Reply #27 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:09pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:02pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 5:55pm:

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garbage. godwins law is about identifying retards who have to use hitler as an argument because they lack the intellectual mettle to put a genuine argument forward. if you want to make a coherent argument as to why democracy should be subverted (which ironically is exactly what hitler did) then make one.

My argument is that democracy is not above all else and should never be seen that way.

Also, I have no respect for spineless poll following politicians or their cheerleaders.

then what IS above democracy? Ive said that God is but other than Him. exactly who or what do you suggest is above democracy

Liberty. Democracy. Humanity. Sound familiar?

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and how is that super-democratic rule imposed or decided?

Undemocratically.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Labor to repeal the Carbon Tax? Reply #28 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:10pm MOTR wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:08pm: Was Abbott duty bound to vote for the Malaysian solution. to vote for a policy that was not his and which he fundamentally and morally disagreed with? no. if there had been an election mandate for the policy that would be different.
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Reply #29 - Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:11pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:10pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 6:08pm:

Was Abbott duty bound to vote for the Malaysian solution.

to vote for a policy that was not his and which he fundamentally and morally disagreed with? no. if there had been an election mandate for the policy that would be different.

What about an EST. Was Abbott duty bound to support an EST.

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