longweekend58 wrote on Mar 31
st, 2013 at 5:01pm:
Given the now almost certainty that the Coalition will be elected to government in a landslide, the question comes about as to how the soon-to-be opposition ALP and the Greens will treat the undeniable mandate to remove the carbon tax. The Coalition will most likely not gain a majority in the senate and so will be wanting the new senate (or even the current one) to pass the CT repeal.
History shows us that in 2007 Howard lost an election that was a mandate for the removal of workchoices. Consequently, the Coalition voted for the repeal even though labor did not have a majority. With Abbott looking at a 60+ seat majority and the biggest swing in history and an election based in large measure on repealing the CT, the existence of a mandate to repeal is undeniable.
So do you think Labor senators will vote for the repeal? do you think they should vote for the repeal? PLease give justification for your replies.
Note that I do not mention the Greens in this. The greens do not honour mandates or frankly. anyone else's opinions or even rights. They will do what they always do and vote how THEY think it should go.
I personally think Labor will support the repeal. The massacre heading their way will change their feelings greatly and not everyone in the party is as dishonourable as Gillard. They may see it as a first step in their restoration in the eyes of voters as a truly democratic and honourable party after the last 3 years of deceit. and they may also realise that voting against the repeal will only give Abbott a DD where they could get hammered badly. Voters get rather annoyed at parties that refuse to do as they are told at elections.
So... thoughts?
and please this is not a climate change debate. leave that out. restrict it to 'repeal or not' not a value assessment on the CT itself.
Your hypocrisy is breathtaking and your chutzpah for coming out and making these demands is just astounding.
Kevin Rudd went to the 2007 election with a CPRS. He announced it, he spruiked it, he claimed it as a step towards addressing "the greatest moral challenge of our time". There was no doubt that he was behind it, the coalition had its own version of it and the public was widely supportive of it.
Labor won the election comfortably and went about trying to introduce it.
The Liberals under Turnbull had some qualms with the policy but were ready to pass it through the Senate after some changes had been thrashed out.
Your messiah Tony, with the will of the voting public firmly in mind, decided that he would challenge for the leadership and then take away support for the CPRS in the Senate.
... and here you are saying that Labor should agree to scrapping the Carbon Tax because the Liberals will most probably win the next election.
Agreeing or disagreeing with certain policies is par for the course and should be encouraged.
Cracking a dummy spit and demanding that everybody does what Tony says because he won the election is petulant and childish.
For the record, I think that the Greens should have supported the CPRS, and, even though I am generally supportive of them, I was disappointed in them for this as I was disappointed in Rudd for not pushing for a DD when he had the trigger.
Further, as much as I disagree with and dislike Tony Abbott (which is a considerable amount, don't get me wrong on that), I would never accuse him of "ignoring democracy" just because he voted against something that was a clear election promise from Rudd.
By the way, if, as polls continually show, the majority of Australians support marriage equality, should Tony back this wholeheartedly?
so in summary, your position is one of a dummy spit rather than a principled position? Something doesnt become right or wrong on the basis of what someone else did. it becomes right or wrong on principle. And as usual, the concept of
eludes almost everyone except perhaps dsmithy.
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