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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Who would Tony rather face. Reply #30 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 10:31pm havent we got enough bloody boring threads on the weather and tides???? how about you bores going somewhere else where you can kill each other with your knowledge of climate change..and leave other threads to the topic...
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Reply #31 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 10:32pm

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 9:49pm:

MOTR wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 9:38pm:

Maqqa thinks the rising oceans are some sort of joke. The US navy thinks very differently.

The IPCC thinks sea level rises attributed to Antarctic ice sheet melting is 0.21mm with an error rate of 0.35mm

The US Navy is working of a rise of somewhere between 3 and 6 feet in the 21st Century. They know the dynamics which will drive future melts haven't kicked in yet.

Admiral Titley. Chief Oceanographer for the US Navy

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During the 20th Century the sea level rose about 8inches, do the arithmetic it's about 2mm a year. Is that a huge change. No. Can we deal with it? Yes. Did we? Yes. Was it a big deal? No. O.K. That's cool. But what's going to happen in the future. Well, what's going to happen in the future, we're already up to 3, 3 and a half millimetres. Yeah it doesn't sound like that much, but you know again, do the arithmetic that's a 50% increase in what the rate of rise was we saw in the Twentieth Century. Why is that? Well, as the water warms, and 85 to 90% of the heat, the excess heat that has gone into the oceans, it goes to warm the water. What do warm things do compared to cold thing? They expand, they get bigger, the oceans getting bigger, so that's part of the sea level rise. The glaciers are melting, like around in the mountains and stuff like that. Yes they melting in the Himalayas. Yes they are melting in Glacier National Park.

But where's the real water. With apologies to Billy Sutton. Billy Sutton, why do you rob banks? it's where the money is. Why do we study these glaciers in Greenland? It's where the ice is, it's where the water is. And these glaciers are starting to fall apart much faster than anybody, even two years ago, thought they were going to do. So this is going to be a huge issue, and potentially we can see the seas coming up somewhere between 3 and 6 feet in the 21st Century. 8 inches in the 20th Century, 3 to 6 feet in the 21st Century. Is that in the IPCC? No. Why? Because if you read the report they say we just don't understand the ice sheet dynamics, so all we're going to do is just figure out what the expansion of the ocean is and melt a little bit off the top. It's been shown in a variety of ways there that that is a gross gross underestimate.

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Re: Who would Tony rather face.
Reply #32 - Feb 24^th, 2013 at 5:07am

MOTR wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:59pm:

Based on how you voted at the last Federal election, who do you think Abbott would prefer to face at the next election. This is not about who you think will make the best PM, it's about who you think Tony would rather face.

The thing is that if rudd were to be leader again nobody would bother voting for him because he would only be deposed again. Its BS by the media. Distraction and BS.

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Reply #33 - Feb 24^th, 2013 at 7:43am

MOTR wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 10:32pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 9:49pm:

MOTR wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 9:38pm:

Maqqa thinks the rising oceans are some sort of joke. The US navy thinks very differently.

The IPCC thinks sea level rises attributed to Antarctic ice sheet melting is 0.21mm with an error rate of 0.35mm

The US Navy is working of a rise of somewhere between 3 and 6 feet in the 21st Century. They know the dynamics which will drive future melts haven't kicked in yet.

Admiral Titley. Chief Oceanographer for the US Navy

Quote:

During the 20th Century the sea level rose about 8inches, do the arithmetic it's about 2mm a year. Is that a huge change. No. Can we deal with it? Yes. Did we? Yes. Was it a big deal? No. O.K. That's cool. But what's going to happen in the future. Well, what's going to happen in the future, we're already up to 3, 3 and a half millimetres. Yeah it doesn't sound like that much, but you know again, do the arithmetic that's a 50% increase in what the rate of rise was we saw in the Twentieth Century. Why is that? Well, as the water warms, and 85 to 90% of the heat, the excess heat that has gone into the oceans, it goes to warm the water. What do warm things do compared to cold thing? They expand, they get bigger, the oceans getting bigger, so that's part of the sea level rise. The glaciers are melting, like around in the mountains and stuff like that. Yes they melting in the Himalayas. Yes they are melting in Glacier National Park.

But where's the real water. With apologies to Billy Sutton. Billy Sutton, why do you rob banks? it's where the money is. Why do we study these glaciers in Greenland? It's where the ice is, it's where the water is. And these glaciers are starting to fall apart much faster than anybody, even two years ago, thought they were going to do. So this is going to be a huge issue, and potentially we can see the seas coming up somewhere between 3 and 6 feet in the 21st Century. 8 inches in the 20th Century, 3 to 6 feet in the 21st Century. Is that in the IPCC? No. Why? Because if you read the report they say we just don't understand the ice sheet dynamics, so all we're going to do is just figure out what the expansion of the ocean is and melt a little bit off the top. It's been shown in a variety of ways there that that is a gross gross underestimate.

so they are planning on an increase in sea levels based on a set of dynamics they dont understand and yet you expect us to take them seriously? This is typical climate hysteria. the slightest whiff of suggestion that some catastrophic even might happen and suddenly its a given fact. but when you want refutation of these thigns you demand hard cold unimpeachable facts like 60 years of no GW. you are JUST liek religious freaks because there is no standard of evidence whatsoever that you would accept to disprove your hypotheses yet carry on with your own beliefs with virtually no evidence whatsoever.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Who would Tony rather face. Reply #34 - Feb 24^th, 2013 at 7:45am cods wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 10:31pm: havent we got enough bloody boring threads on the weather and tides???? how about you bores going somewhere else where you can kill each other with your knowledge of climate change..and leave other threads to the topic... BUMP
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Who would Tony rather face. Reply #35 - Feb 24^th, 2013 at 7:59am Cods, if you don't like the way the conversation is heading you could always redirect it. There seems to be a concerted push from right wing elements of the media to push the claims of Kevin Rudd. Does that suggest they dont see Rudd as a threat and they would rather Labor panicked and ousted Gillard?
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Reply #36 - Feb 24^th, 2013 at 9:10am

MOTR wrote on Feb 24^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

Cods, if you don't like the way the conversation is heading you could always redirect it.

There seems to be a concerted push from right wing elements of the media to push the claims of Kevin Rudd. Does that suggest they dont see Rudd as a threat and they would rather Labor panicked and ousted Gillard?

I tried even sob tried.. boo hoo.. you are the worst...hows your poll going.. I dont do polls..and this one is particularly weird.

it should read who would gillard rather face...

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Reply #37 - Feb 24^th, 2013 at 10:20am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 24^th, 2013 at 5:07am:

MOTR wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:59pm:

Based on how you voted at the last Federal election, who do you think Abbott would prefer to face at the next election. This is not about who you think will make the best PM, it's about who you think Tony would rather face.

The thing is that if rudd were to be leader again nobody would bother voting for him because he would only be deposed again. Its BS by the media. Distraction and BS.

SOB

Well Labor best prepare for a long tilt in opposition because under Gillard they're buggered they have no hope. I am sick of seeing her on TV now. I don't think she has been the bad PM the conga line say she is, but in my opinion her holding onto the leadership now is putting herself ahead of the party, she should bugger off.

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Who would Tony rather face. Reply #38 - Feb 24^th, 2013 at 10:23am Here you go longwhinyliar, this is your chance to gloat. I admit, I was wrong EVEN phony tony will beat Gillard if she leads the Labor party to the next election.
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Who would Tony rather face. Reply #39 - Feb 24^th, 2013 at 10:30am skippy. wrote on Feb 24^th, 2013 at 10:23am: Here you go longwhinyliar, this is your chance to gloat. I admit, I was wrong EVEN phony tony will beat Gillard if she leads the Labor party to the next election. OH! ye of little faith!
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Re: Who would Tony rather face.
Reply #40 - Feb 24^th, 2013 at 10:39am

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Well Labor best prepare for a long tilt in opposition because under Gillard they're buggered they have no hope. I am sick of seeing her on TV now. I don't think she has been the bad PM the conga line say she is, but in my opinion her holding onto the leadership now is putting herself ahead of the party, she should bugger off.

Skippy

I think most of us have been sick of seeing her on TV FOR A VERY VERY LONG TIME, WELCOME ON BOARD SKIPPY, Grin

But we will have to wait around september 14 for us to be given the chance to f**k her off permanetly through the ballot box

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Re: Who would Tony rather face.
Reply #41 - Feb 24^th, 2013 at 10:49am

cods wrote on Feb 24^th, 2013 at 9:10am:

MOTR wrote on Feb 24^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

Cods, if you don't like the way the conversation is heading you could always redirect it.

There seems to be a concerted push from right wing elements of the media to push the claims of Kevin Rudd. Does that suggest they dont see Rudd as a threat and they would rather Labor panicked and ousted Gillard?

I tried even sob tried.. boo hoo.. you are the worst...hows your poll going.. I dont do polls..and this one is particularly weird.

it should read who would gillard rather face...

I'm curious, cods. Would Abbott rather Gillard was PM come election time or would he rather be up against Rudd. My guess is he would rather Rudd challenged and lost.

It's not that difficult to have an opinion, cods.

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stryder Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4545 Gender:	Re: Who would Tony rather face. Reply #42 - Feb 24^th, 2013 at 10:50am Quote: But we will have to wait around september 14 for us to be given the chance to f**k her off permanetly through the ballot box Thats if Kevin (big ego) Rudd doesnt get to her leadership first,
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Who would Tony rather face. Reply #43 - Feb 24^th, 2013 at 11:15am If John Howard comes out endorsing Rudd tonight, what does that tell us about what the LNP prefers. Perhaps they would rather face Rudd than Gillard backed by a united Labor Party. Who are the mugs here?
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Reply #44 - Feb 24^th, 2013 at 3:29pm

MOTR wrote on Feb 24^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

Cods, if you don't like the way the conversation is heading you could always redirect it.

There seems to be a concerted push from right wing elements of the media to push the claims of Kevin Rudd. Does that suggest they dont see Rudd as a threat and they would rather Labor panicked and ousted Gillard?

As I have said before - it is too late for Rudd to save the ALP now. He does not have time to readjust the sails.

All Rudd wants to do now is batten down the hatches and wait the storm out.

If Rudd comes in now - there are no policy changes he can really make that will make a difference

He was beaten 71/29 last time. How many of those 71 will be left after the election?

Abbott is happy to take on either because they are prepared for both.

Gillard - Abbott'll win by a larger margin
Rudd - Abbott'll win by a smaller margin
Shorten - Abbott'll win by a larger margin

a win is a win

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Question: Who would Abbott rather face.
Voted Labor think Rudd 0 (0.0%) Voted Labor think Gillard 3 (27.3%) Voted Coalition think Rudd 0 (0.0%) Voted Coalition Think Gillard 5 (45.5%) Voted Green think Rudd 1 (9.1%) Voted Green think Gillard 1 (9.1%) Voted Independent think Rudd 0 (0.0%) Voted Independent think Gillard 1 (9.1%) Total votes: 11 « Created by: MOTR on: Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:59pm »