Australian Politics Forum - Should Australia Buy These Fighter Jets?.

Lobo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7407 Sydney Gender:	Re: Should Australia Buy These Fighter Jets?. Reply #15 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 12:57pm Quote: Sounds a good idea to me froggie. Don't forget, they shot the red baron down with one. Hang on, hang on...... I thought an Aussie digger with a Bren Gun got him. Or was that Snoopy in his Sopwith Kennel??
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 111593 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Should Australia Buy These Fighter Jets?. Reply #16 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 12:59pm Quote: Bobby, what about my idea of the Sopwith Camels. We should get them at a good price, dont you think?. Nice joke Crook.
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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 77081 Gender:	Re: Should Australia Buy These Fighter Jets?. Reply #17 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 1:00pm Why don't we attach some Kalashnikovs to hang gliders? for the cost of one plane I can buy 10 000 hang gliders with guns .... you won't get better stealth technology
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imcrookonit Ex Member	Re: Should Australia Buy These Fighter Jets?. Reply #18 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 1:13pm Hey bobby, Didn't they shoot King Kong down, on top of the Empire State Building, with Sopwith Camels?. By gee, they must be good airplanes.
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imcrookonit Ex Member	Re: Should Australia Buy These Fighter Jets?. Reply #19 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 1:15pm I must admit though. I did feel sorry for Kong.
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Reply #20 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 1:40pm

Sopwith Camel.

This article is about the fighter plane. For the 1960s
Manufacturer Sopwith Aviation Company
Designer Herbert Smith[1]
First flight 22 December 1916
Introduction June 1917
Primary users RFC (RAF)
RNAS, AAF
Number built 5,490

The Sopwith Camel was a British First World War single-seat biplane fighter introduced on the Western Front in 1917. Manufactured by Sopwith Aviation Company, it had a short-coupled fuselage, heavy, powerful rotary engine, and concentrated fire from twin synchronized machine guns. Though difficult to handle, to an experienced pilot it provided unmatched manoeuvrability. A superlative fighter, the Camel was credited with shooting down 1,294 enemy aircraft, more than any other Allied fighter of the war. It also served as a ground-attack aircraft, especially near the end of the conflict, when it was outclassed in the air-to-air role by newer fighters.

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Re: Should Australia Buy These Fighter Jets?.
Reply #21 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 2:16pm

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Sopwith Camel.

This article is about the fighter plane. For the 1960s
Manufacturer Sopwith Aviation Company
Designer Herbert Smith[1]
First flight 22 December 1916
Introduction June 1917
Primary users RFC (RAF)
RNAS, AAF
Number built 5,490

The Sopwith Camel was a British First World War single-seat biplane fighter introduced on the Western Front in 1917. Manufactured by Sopwith Aviation Company, it had a short-coupled fuselage, heavy, powerful rotary engine, and concentrated fire from twin synchronized machine guns. Though difficult to handle, to an experienced pilot it provided unmatched manoeuvrability. A superlative fighter, the Camel was credited with shooting down 1,294 enemy aircraft, more than any other Allied fighter of the war. It also served as a ground-attack aircraft, especially near the end of the conflict, when it was outclassed in the air-to-air role by newer fighters.

Jeez let it go crook, it wasn't funny the first time you said it. Angry

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Reply #22 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 2:26pm

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 12:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 11:21am:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 10:46am:

Why buy any planes?
They're just expensive toys that we cannot afford and that will never be used for the purpose they were built for.
Like 99% of our defence spending its a waste of taxpayers money.

They are a deterrent capability. The fact we have them stops other countries from having designs on our territory. Your philosophy was the same as the 1930s British. Their failure to maintain a proper defence force is what emboldened Hitler and at best made the war longer or at worse, allowed it to happen.

You're a lot more tolorant to adel's moronic comments than I longy.

The bloke is a rolled gold fool, with beliefs like that.

it was right out of post WW1 england - believing that WW1 was the last ever war. it was stupid then and even stupider now.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 111593 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Should Australia Buy These Fighter Jets?. Reply #23 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:50pm Adel, Quote: Their failure to maintain a proper defence force is what emboldened Hitler France had the largest army in the world & they also had the Maginot line - it didn't help them much though - they lost against Hitler in 28 days.
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Reply #24 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 4:11pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 10:26am:

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Hi bobby, I think it would be better if Australia, were to buy the old world war one Sopwith Camel.

The latest Russian planes can out-maneuver the Yanky planes but
they don't have such sophisticated weapons & systems.

Which specific Russian aircraft are you referring to? The only aircraft either Sukhoi or MiG have made that can outmaneuver our Gen 4 aircraft are all one-off or very limited production technology demonstrators, not production combat aircraft. This isn't expected to change anytime soon if the PAK-FA prototypes are any indication.

As far as the F-35 having troubles with compressor blades... who cares. It's a brand new aircraft that hasn't been in production long enough for such issues to be found and resolved. Not a problem for Australia either since by the time you start receiving aircraft we'll have long since produced enough F-35s for homologation of production and maintenance to happen.

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Deterrence is the art of producing in the mind of the enemy... the FEAR to attack.

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Reply #25 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 4:55pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 3:50pm:

Adel,
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Their failure to maintain a proper defence force is what emboldened Hitler

France had the largest army in the world & they also had the Maginot line -
it didn't help them much though - they lost against Hitler in 28 days.

the maginot line was an embarrassment. it didnt go all the way around so the germans simply went thru the area where it didn't exist. Plus they French military was a joke. they knew how to march but not how to fight. they had generals like the british had in WW1 - beyond useless.

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Reply #26 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:50pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 12:17pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 11:25am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 11:21am:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 10:46am:

Why buy any planes?
They're just expensive toys that we cannot afford and that will never be used for the purpose they were built for.
Like 99% of our defence spending its a waste of taxpayers money.

They are a deterrent capability. The fact we have them stops other countries from having designs on our territory. Your philosophy was the same as the 1930s British. Their failure to maintain a proper defence force is what emboldened Hitler and at best made the war longer or at worse, allowed it to happen.

Who are we trying to deter?
Europe has had thousands of years invading each other and the last country to invade Australia was the poms. Apart from that the yanks seems to be the only country hell bent on starting wars in our region every few decades.

did WW2 and the Japanese attacks (a preface to invasion) just slip right on by you?

And where were our troops when this was going on?
And who tried to stop them from coming home to defend Australia..I'll give you a hint..the allies you so proudly parade as our saviours Grin

Where were all of our troops, planes etc when the Japanese popped by or should we buy these things to defend everyone else but ourselves?
Lets face it...we have always spent a small fortune on defence to appease others not to defend ourselves

PS...who do you think is champing at the bit to invade us the minute we stop giving the US billions of dollars for a handful of useless jets?

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Reply #27 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:58pm

Lets face it..we could half the defence budget and it would make no difference to our place in the region.
Most of our money is wasted on small sundry items that we get charged a small fortune for.
The defence industry is a good way to get very wealthy thanks to dimwitted people that think Indonesia is just waiting to invade us when we drop our guard and refuse to pour more money into the defence industries billionaires pockets.
Its true...theres a sucker born every minute

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Reply #28 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 6:00pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 12:17pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 11:25am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 11:21am:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 10:46am:

Why buy any planes?
They're just expensive toys that we cannot afford and that will never be used for the purpose they were built for.
Like 99% of our defence spending its a waste of taxpayers money.

They are a deterrent capability. The fact we have them stops other countries from having designs on our territory. Your philosophy was the same as the 1930s British. Their failure to maintain a proper defence force is what emboldened Hitler and at best made the war longer or at worse, allowed it to happen.

Who are we trying to deter?
Europe has had thousands of years invading each other and the last country to invade Australia was the poms. Apart from that the yanks seems to be the only country hell bent on starting wars in our region every few decades.

did WW2 and the Japanese attacks (a preface to invasion) just slip right on by you?

And where were our troops when this was going on?
And who tried to stop them from coming home to defend Australia..I'll give you a hint..the allies you so proudly parade as our saviours Grin

Where were all of our troops, planes etc when the Japanese popped by or should we buy these things to defend everyone else but ourselves?
Lets face it...we have always spent a small fortune on defence to appease others not to defend ourselves

PS...who do you think is champing at the bit to invade us the minute we stop giving the US billions of dollars for a handful of useless jets?

hey moron, nice try at a deflection but the fact is we HAVE been invaded/attacked in the very recent past (WW2) yet somehow you managed to miss that small fact. Your debating style has gone from bad to worse where you are now like lastnail and possibly heading into the SOB-zone.

lift your game

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Reply #29 - Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 6:07pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2013 at 5:58pm:

Lets face it..we could half the defence budget and it would make no difference to our place in the region.
Most of our money is wasted on small sundry items that we get charged a small fortune for.
The defence industry is a good way to get very wealthy thanks to dimwitted people that think Indonesia is just waiting to invade us when we drop our guard and refuse to pour more money into the defence industries billionaires pockets.
Its true...theres a sucker born every minute

Luckily morons are not born anywhere near as often.

Your ignorance of security and defence matters remains boundless I see.

Might I suggest you stick to areas of your expertise, such as cradle to grave welfare and other socialist ideology

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