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The $50 A Week Dole Increase Cant Be Ducked.
Jan 14th, 2013 at 5:44am
 
Dole increase 'can't be ducked'

    by: Pia Akerman
    From: The Australian
    January 14, 2013


SOCIAL welfare groups and Labor backbenchers have warned the Gillard government that a proposed $50-a-week boost to the Newstart allowance is "non-negotiable" and must not be ducked by adopting other measures to assist the unemployed.     Smiley    

Amid growing pressure to increase the payments to the jobless, currently just $35 a day, the federal government has begun modelling a number of welfare changes, as revealed in The Weekend Australian. But advocates yesterday said a substantial rise in the Newstart allowance was needed as the foundation for any other relief proposals.

National Welfare Rights Network president Maree O'Halloran said the increase should be introduced with bipartisan support, along with other steps such as increasing the amount of paid work that can be done without threatening Newstart payments.     Smiley

"The $50 per week (increase) is non-negotiable in that it was put forward by the Ken Henry review," she said. "It's a well-based policy position that's been thoroughly investigated and endorsed by community groups.


"To do anything other than the substantial increase . . . would just not be acceptable."   

The Australian Council of Social Service has also backed the $50 weekly increase while noting it would still leave people below the poverty line, making other policy changes "crucial".

"Along with extra support measures to prepare people for paid work, and allowing them to keep more of the money they earn, we also need to align the different indexation arrangements, which has led to allowances like Newstart falling $140 below pensions," said acting ACOSS chief executive Tessa Boyd-Caine.     Wink   

The government is modelling at least three possible welfare changes, including allowing Newstart recipients to keep a greater proportion of their payment while in work, more assistance for single parents, and a moderate dole increase of less than $50 a week.

A number of Labor MPs have publicly and privately backed the increase, which is tipped to command attention in caucus when parliament resumes next month.

Families Minister Jenny Macklin has apologised for saying she could live on the allowance, calling her remark "insensitive", while other ministers have stuck to the line that it would be "very difficult" to subsist on $35 a day.

Labor senator Doug Cameron said yesterday that a package of welfare reforms was needed. "That package has got to include an increase in the Newstart allowance because it has diminished against every other government allowance and payment over the years," he said. "I don't think it's consistent with Labor values to either stigmatise or impoverish some of the most vulnerable people in the community."

In an open letter to the nation yesterday, Julia Gillard emphasised fairness as a key attribute behind her policy goals.

Mission Australia chief executive Toby Hall said it was increasingly difficult to watch the government resist a Newstart increase since it abandoned its promise of a budget surplus last month.
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Re: The $50 A Week Dole Increase Cant Be Ducked.
Reply #1 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 6:55am
 
They've started the conversation, they must take it to its full conclusion and put up the $50, they can't leave this issue unresolved any longer.

Won't Gillard be peeved that she put all those thousands of sole parents on the dole queue?  They'll still lose out, but not so badly.

Incidentally, if unemployment was running at 15% prior to the changes, I wonder what the new level is, nobody's saying.
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Reply #2 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 6:57am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 6:55am:
They've started the conversation, they must take it to its full conclusion and put up the $50, they can't leave this issue unresolved any longer.

Won't Gillard be peeved that she put all those thousands of sole parents on the dole queue?  They'll still lose out, but not so badly.

Incidentally, if unemployment was running at 15% prior to the changes, I wonder what the new level is, nobody's saying.



Yes - all those solo Mothers will boost the dole numbers making
Gillard's unemployment percentage look really bad.
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Reply #3 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:31am
 
sometimes more money isnt the answer.. I still see a lot of smoking going on.. and has anyone seen the price of a pkt of smokes.??  a dole recipient would only have to smoke a pkt a day to take care of his payments..I nearly fell over when I saw what someone paid for them...I notice those windscreen guys nearly all smoke..
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Reply #4 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:33am
 
cods wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:31am:
sometimes more money isnt the answer.. I still see a lot of smoking going on.. and has anyone seen the price of a pkt of smokes.??  a dole recipient would only have to smoke a pkt a day to take care of his payments..I nearly fell over when I saw what someone paid for them...I notice those windscreen guys nearly all smoke..


So what are you saying? That because a few ppl smoke that nobody should get enough money to live on? Punish them because you dont like smokers?

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Reply #5 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:45am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:33am:
cods wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:31am:
sometimes more money isnt the answer.. I still see a lot of smoking going on.. and has anyone seen the price of a pkt of smokes.??  a dole recipient would only have to smoke a pkt a day to take care of his payments..I nearly fell over when I saw what someone paid for them...I notice those windscreen guys nearly all smoke..


So what are you saying? That because a few ppl smoke that nobody should get enough money to live on? Punish them because you dont like smokers?

SOB



Miss Borg. If they, being the dole recipients didn't smoke and also drink their life would be easier. Now before you go all wacko on me Miss Borg, not all dole recipients smoke or drink but a hell of a lot do.

BTW, where did Cods say she didn't like smokers?
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Reply #6 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:47am
 
cods wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:31am:
sometimes more money isnt the answer.. I still see a lot of smoking going on.. and has anyone seen the price of a pkt of smokes.??  a dole recipient would only have to smoke a pkt a day to take care of his payments..I nearly fell over when I saw what someone paid for them...I notice those windscreen guys nearly all smoke..



cods, they smoke rollies, roll their own and put them in cigarette packets to make it look like they're not povvo. You can get machines and filters that turn out factory made ciggies these days. Some even buy tobacco on the black market, there's a huge trade going on, I used to when I smoked, $20 a kilo and no chemicals, would last forever.

I nearly fell over when I saw the price too, the shutter was opened as I walked past and lo and behold $13.75 for a pack of fags, would most likely be 40, but still that's serious money for poor people. Now who's getting rich off this particular addiction?
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Reply #7 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:49am
 
KJT1981 wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:45am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:33am:
cods wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:31am:
sometimes more money isnt the answer.. I still see a lot of smoking going on.. and has anyone seen the price of a pkt of smokes.??  a dole recipient would only have to smoke a pkt a day to take care of his payments..I nearly fell over when I saw what someone paid for them...I notice those windscreen guys nearly all smoke..


So what are you saying? That because a few ppl smoke that nobody should get enough money to live on? Punish them because you dont like smokers?

SOB



Miss Borg. If they, being the dole recipients didn't smoke and also drink their life would be easier. Now before you go all wacko on me Miss Borg, not all dole recipients smoke or drink but a hell of a lot do.

BTW, where did Cods say she didn't like smokers?


the troll is trolling

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Reply #8 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:53am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:49am:
KJT1981 wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:45am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:33am:
cods wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:31am:
sometimes more money isnt the answer.. I still see a lot of smoking going on.. and has anyone seen the price of a pkt of smokes.??  a dole recipient would only have to smoke a pkt a day to take care of his payments..I nearly fell over when I saw what someone paid for them...I notice those windscreen guys nearly all smoke..


So what are you saying? That because a few ppl smoke that nobody should get enough money to live on? Punish them because you dont like smokers?

SOB



Miss Borg. If they, being the dole recipients didn't smoke and also drink their life would be easier. Now before you go all wacko on me Miss Borg, not all dole recipients smoke or drink but a hell of a lot do.

BTW, where did Cods say she didn't like smokers?


the troll is trolling

SOB


Aww, can't answer the question Miss Borg.

Freediver wouldn't be surprised.
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Reply #9 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:57am
 
KJT1981 wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:53am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:49am:
KJT1981 wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:45am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:33am:
cods wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 8:31am:
sometimes more money isnt the answer.. I still see a lot of smoking going on.. and has anyone seen the price of a pkt of smokes.??  a dole recipient would only have to smoke a pkt a day to take care of his payments..I nearly fell over when I saw what someone paid for them...I notice those windscreen guys nearly all smoke..


So what are you saying? That because a few ppl smoke that nobody should get enough money to live on? Punish them because you dont like smokers?

SOB



Miss Borg. If they, being the dole recipients didn't smoke and also drink their life would be easier. Now before you go all wacko on me Miss Borg, not all dole recipients smoke or drink but a hell of a lot do.

BTW, where did Cods say she didn't like smokers?


the troll is trolling

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Aww, can't answer the question Miss Borg.

Freediver wouldn't be surprised.


Go away troll

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Reply #10 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:07am
 
Smoking is not illegal.

Nor is drinking.

The unemployed are not criminals.

If they want a smoke or a beer, it is up to them.

And ONLY them.

NOT you. NOT me.

And NEVER the effing Govt.
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Reply #11 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:15am
 
Kat wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:07am:
Smoking is not illegal.

Nor is drinking.

The unemployed are not criminals.

If they want a smoke or a beer, it is up to them.

And ONLY them.

NOT you. NOT me.

And NEVER the effing Govt.



Kat, maybe you are missing the point here.

Food, electricity, gas, smokes, booze.

Which is more important?
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Reply #12 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:17am
 
It isnt up to anyone else to prioritise than the ppl concerned

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Reply #13 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:19am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:17am:
It isnt up to anyone else to prioritise than the ppl concerned

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If that is case why should the charities give them food and power vouchers?
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Reply #14 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:33am
 
I have always supported helping out people down on their luck.

However given these people do not earn their money, it is our right to ensure it is spent in the way intended.

I would rather see a % of their allowance given in food stamps to ensure it is spent on food.

Sure it will create a black market but from an 80/20 rule perspective, a lot of it would ensure it goes on food or kids clothes and not on booze or pokie machines.
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