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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #495 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 6:01pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 5:51pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 5:47pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 5:35pm:

Paramo boasts that in a century and a half from the commencement of the sect, in 1404,
the Holy Office had burned at least 30,000 witches.

Who's Paramo??

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The Archbishop of Treves burned a hundred and eighteen women and two men, from whom confessions had been extorted that their incantations had prolonged the winter. Paramo boasts that in a century and a half from the commencement of the sect, in 1404, the Holy Office had burned at least 30,000 witches. Cumanus, in Italy, burned 41 women in one province alone. Strasbourg, burned 5000 in a period of 20 years.

more here:

http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=345&...

Re qouting your own post doesn't answer the question...
I searched the name Paramo, and other than a couple of clothing shops and an old spanish film, the only meaning I can find is "A treeless alpine plateau of the Andes and tropical South America."...

So again, WHO is Paramo, why is he famous enough to be quoted in this article, and what's his first name/title, connection to the Church and when did he live...

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #496 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 6:01pm

The last major major religious war was Lebanon in the 1990's.

This is an interesting site. Whilst all the conflicts mentioned cannot be linked directly to religious differences, there's many that have a direct link to religion as being one of the main factors.

Just food for thought when connecting religion and war.

Anyway, it seems they're always at it. I suppose they always will be until someone finds out who's God is the real one.

Religiously-based civil unrest and warfare

http://www.religioustolerance.org/curr_war.htm

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andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....

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Reply #497 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 6:04pm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican29.htm#The%20Witchhunts

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Victor Hugo estimated the number of the victims of the Inquisition at five million, it is said, and certainly the number was much greater than that if we take into account, as we should, the wives and husbands, the parents and children, the brothers and sisters, and other relatives of those tortured and slaughtered by the priestly institution. To these millions should properly be added the others killed in the wars precipitated in the attempt to fasten the Inquisition upon the people of various countries, as the Netherlands and Germany.

What matters more to me is not the numbers of dead but that religion has
been used as an excuse to kill innocent people.
This is why it is a doctrine to be discarded in the same way we have discarded Nazism.

So - to Longweekend & all the other religious nutcases on this forum -
stick that in your pipe & smoke it.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #498 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 6:06pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 6:04pm:

certainly the number was much greater than that if we take into account, as we should, the wives and husbands, the parents and children, the brothers and sisters, and other relatives of those tortured and slaughtered by the priestly institution.

Why on earth "should" we do that???? Why not count the victims dog as well?

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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #499 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 6:19pm Look at the right wing think tanks...they are itching to kill the poor...and they seek to influence the Government to do that...they are the modern inquisition...the anti welfare lobby are their progeny...
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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #500 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 6:22pm The urge to kill the poor runs deep and has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with the dark side of human nature which manifests in the right...you can get rid of religion, that wont get rid of the problem, it has nothing to do with it...
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26460 Australia	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #501 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 6:29pm So. 34 pages so far and nobody has told us what it means to be an xtian these days. SOB
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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #502 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 6:32pm I am carefully archiving everything said or done by any public figure that is anything less than an act of kindness, charity and decency to the poor...
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95453 Melbourne Gender:	Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ? Reply #503 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 6:36pm Gizmo, I told you at the 2nd post on the first page what it means to be Christian these days: Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2013 at 11:29pm: Hi Nail, My definition - They believe in the devil: As for Paramo - I don't know - the name of some religious Inquisitor?
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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #504 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 7:38pm

... wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 6:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 6:04pm:

certainly the number was much greater than that if we take into account, as we should, the wives and husbands, the parents and children, the brothers and sisters, and other relatives of those tortured and slaughtered by the priestly institution.

Why on earth "should" we do that???? Why not count the victims dog as well?

I think it meant that the families of the murdered people were also victims.

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Reply #505 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 7:41pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 6:01pm:

The last major major religious war was Lebanon in the 1990's.

This is an interesting site. Whilst all the conflicts mentioned cannot be linked directly to religious differences, there's many that have a direct link to religion as being one of the main factors.

Just food for thought when connecting religion and war.

Anyway, it seems they're always at it. I suppose they always will be until someone finds out who's God is the real one.

Religiously-based civil unrest and warfare

http://www.religioustolerance.org/curr_war.htm

Hi Pansi - a good list there of what religion still does today.

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Reply #506 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 7:43pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 7:38pm:

... wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 6:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 6:04pm:

certainly the number was much greater than that if we take into account, as we should, the wives and husbands, the parents and children, the brothers and sisters, and other relatives of those tortured and slaughtered by the priestly institution.

Why on earth "should" we do that???? Why not count the victims dog as well?

I think it meant that the families of the murdered people were also victims.

Yeah but come on....If you start defining victim that loosely, everybody in the world becomes a victim, by way of six degrees of separation. Lets just stick to death tolls...or not. It's not really important.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #507 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 7:54pm

... wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 7:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 7:38pm:

... wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 6:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 6:04pm:

certainly the number was much greater than that if we take into account, as we should, the wives and husbands, the parents and children, the brothers and sisters, and other relatives of those tortured and slaughtered by the priestly institution.

Why on earth "should" we do that???? Why not count the victims dog as well?

I think it meant that the families of the murdered people were also victims.

Yeah but come on....If you start defining victim that loosely, everybody in the world becomes a victim, by way of six degrees of separation. Lets just stick to death tolls...or not. It's not really important.

The statement is fair - it says

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number was much greater than that if we take into account

that = 5 million.

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Re: What does it mean to be a Christian these days ?
Reply #508 - Jan 9^th, 2013 at 9:26pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 6:04pm:

certainly the number was much greater than that if we take into account, as we should, the wives and husbands, the parents and children, the brothers and sisters, and other relatives of those tortured and slaughtered by the priestly institution.

And their relatives' relatives and their relatives and their husbands - and sisters -, sons, brothes, uncles - and their sisters -, grandfathers, grandmothers - and their sisters. And their relatives' relatives. And their sisters.
As we should. Let us be completely fair. Enough of all this senseless discrimination and exclusion. Let's show the haters that we are inclusive - as are our sisters.

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