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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43612 Gender:	Re: Most Cancer IS Preventable, BUT...... Reply #15 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 8:02am Gordon wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 1:35pm: Cancer comes from the same thing that drives evolution. Random cell mutations. Most mutations are harmful and mutations certainly do not drive evolution!
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Reply #16 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 8:09am

Breast cancer is not environmental, it is genetic.

Leiomyosarcoma, cancer of the smooth muscle is not environmental. It is a vicious cancer that can strike anywhere. The uterus and bladder are smooth muscle but so are the walls of our veins and arteries. Leiomyosarcoma generally does not respond to treatment and tends to recur if surgically removed. An employee of mine died from it, horrible.

Don’t talk so bloody glibly about cancer!

Smoking does cause cancer yes. How many of the right wing members here supported Gillard and Roxon’s Plain Packaging legislation?

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tickleandrose Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3867 Gender:	Re: Most Cancer IS Preventable, BUT...... Reply #17 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 9:32am Agreed processed foods are bad. And certainly do not overheat things. But avoid cooked foods? I am not sure if this is sound advice. The process of cook kills a lot of bacteria, viruses and fungi. If anything, persistent consumption of raw food would lead to more illness and possible cancer.
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Reply #18 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 10:01am

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The process of cooking kills bacteria, viruses and fungi. If anything, persistent consumption of raw food would lead to more illness and possible cancer.

Yes, we should cook, and thereby sterilize, everything we eat, then we will know that it is safe to eat.

How clever modern, civilised men have become!!!

Just look at how much modern man has accomplished with our scientific advances and our technology!!!!

Soon, we will be travelling to the stars, and colonizing new planets. !!!!!!

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A FACT FROM HISTORY;
Inuit natives helped some early Arctic explorers [who were lost], and provided them with food [seal meat].

The European explorers wanted to cook the meat.

But the Inuit natives indicated to the explorers that if they ate only cooked seal meat, they would become sick.

Why would they become sick?

European scientists later discovered that the enzymes in the raw meat [destroyed by cooking] greatly helped [Inuit natives] in the digestion of the seal meat.

Without the natural enzymes in the raw meat [that would be destroyed by cooking], the eaten meat would putrefy in the gut!

Inuit natives already 'knew' this.

But the 'clever', educated, Europeans did not.

Men are so clever.

Especially, those who are guided by modern scientific discoveries.

/sarc off

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #19 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 10:25am

Yadda wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 7:55am:

Do you believe that factors in our 'environment' [our 'environment' being, our immediate environment, and, the state of the 'environment' within our own bodies] have little, or no real influence, on the likelihood to tendency, of the presence of 'cancer' and/or infections present within our body ?

Infections - are caused by viruses and bacteria. By far the greatest risk factor in catching an infection is coming into contact with the virus or bacteria.

cancer - is caused by mutating cells. By far the greatest risk factor with cancer is age. 60% of cancer sufferers are 65 or older.

You have to remember Yadda that at the start of the 19th century, before modern medicine was discovered, peoples average life expectancy was only 40 years. People simply didn't live long enough to acquire cancer.
A scratch could become infected and it would kill you
Infant mortality was around 20% at the start of the 19th century, it is now less than 5%

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Reply #20 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 10:38am

Yadda wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 10:01am:

A FACT FROM HISTORY;
Inuit natives helped some early Arctic explorers [who were lost], and provided them with food [seal meat].

The European explorers wanted to cook the meat.

But the Inuit natives indicated to the explorers that if they ate only cooked seal meat, they would become sick.

Why would they become sick?

European scientists later discovered that the enzymes in the raw meat [destroyed by cooking] greatly helped [Inuit natives] in the digestion of the seal meat.

Without the natural enzymes in the raw meat [that would be destroyed by cooking], the eaten meat would putrefy in the gut!

Inuit natives already 'knew' this.

But the 'clever', educated, Europeans did not.

Absolute nonsense Yadda
A seal is a mammal, just like a cow, sheep or pig is a mammal.
There is no reason that cooked seal meat couldn't be digested. The Inuit do eat raw seal meat as a cultural practice but eating cooked seal meat will not make you sick.

Ticleandrose is correct Raw meat carries a greater risk of parasites and bacteria and should be avoided.

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Reply #21 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 1:56pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 10:38am:

Absolute nonsense Yadda
A seal is a mammal, just like a cow, sheep or pig is a mammal.
There is no reason that cooked seal meat couldn't be digested.

The Inuit do eat raw seal meat as a cultural practice but eating cooked seal meat will not make you sick.

......so long as we have an 'appropriate' bacterial environment in our gut.

People who do NOT have a 'healthy' bacterial environment in their gut [sufficient to 'properly' digest the contents of the gut] could very easily, become very 'ill', ....imo.

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The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 10:38am:

Ticleandrose is correct Raw meat carries a greater risk of parasites and bacteria and should be avoided.

I can assure you, that i will not be eating raw meat.

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Reply #22 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 1:59pm

Yadda wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 1:56pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 10:38am:

Absolute nonsense Yadda
A seal is a mammal, just like a cow, sheep or pig is a mammal.
There is no reason that cooked seal meat couldn't be digested.

The Inuit do eat raw seal meat as a cultural practice but eating cooked seal meat will not make you sick.

......so long as we have an 'appropriate' bacterial environment in our gut.

People who do NOT have a 'healthy' bacterial environment in their gut [sufficient to 'properly' digest the contents of the gut] could very easily, become very 'ill', ....imo.

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The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 10:38am:

Ticleandrose is correct Raw meat carries a greater risk of parasites and bacteria and should be avoided.

I can assure you, that i will not be eating raw meat.

This kind of ignores actual digestion. By the time it reaches the area of our "gut" where bacteria reside, all the digestion of fats/carbs and proteins has already taken place.

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No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #23 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 2:35pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 1:59pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 1:56pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 10:38am:

Absolute nonsense Yadda
A seal is a mammal, just like a cow, sheep or pig is a mammal.
There is no reason that cooked seal meat couldn't be digested.

The Inuit do eat raw seal meat as a cultural practice but eating cooked seal meat will not make you sick.

......so long as we have an 'appropriate' bacterial environment in our gut.

People who do NOT have a 'healthy' bacterial environment in their gut [sufficient to 'properly' digest the contents of the gut] could very easily, become very 'ill', ....imo.

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The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 10:38am:

Ticleandrose is correct Raw meat carries a greater risk of parasites and bacteria and should be avoided.

I can assure you, that i will not be eating raw meat.

This kind of ignores actual digestion. By the time it reaches the area of our "gut" where bacteria reside, all the digestion of fats/carbs and proteins has already taken place.

It was my understanding that colonies of bacteria [which can be colonies of either 'good' or 'bad' bacteria types] reside within the whole of the alimentary canal, not just within the gut.

Whether those colonies of bacteria are predominantly beneficial to us or are predominantly harmful to us, depends upon their character/function, and, the numbers present, in those colonies.

Dictionary;
alimentary canal = = the whole passage along which food passes through the body from mouth to anus during digestion.

Q.
Do you think that the nature of the colonies of bacteria that reside within our body, can determine whether our immune system is strong and healthy, or, weak ?

I believe that, that is the case.

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Do you believe, can you believe, that it would be, to our benefit [i.e. beneficial to our good health] to try to eat foods which will tend to provide a friendly environment to those particular types of colonies of bacteria, which are most beneficial to our good health ?

Or, do you think that it would be most beneficial to simply eat, what we like to eat the most, and then, later, to 'take a pill', if we are suffering from 'indigestion' ?

i.e.
take a pill that will 'sort out' in quick order, those unfriendly bacteria in our stomach. Grin

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Most Cancer IS Preventable, BUT...... Reply #24 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 2:42pm The small intestine should have very few amounts of bacteria, in comparison to the large intestine.
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Most Cancer IS Preventable, BUT...... Reply #25 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 2:43pm Dictionary; alimentary canal = = the whole passage along which food passes through the body from mouth to anus during digestion. P.S. i know what it means. Its just an old term.
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Reply #26 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 2:50pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 2:43pm:

Dictionary;
alimentary canal = = the whole passage along which food passes through the body from mouth to anus during digestion.

P.S. i know what it means. Its just an old term.

Oh it can't be very important then.

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By the time it reaches the area of our "gut" where bacteria reside, all the digestion of fats/carbs and proteins has already taken place.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #27 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 2:51pm

Yadda wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 2:50pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 2:43pm:

Dictionary;
alimentary canal = = the whole passage along which food passes through the body from mouth to anus during digestion.

P.S. i know what it means. Its just an old term.

Oh it can't be very important then.

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By the time it reaches the area of our "gut" where bacteria reside, all the digestion of fats/carbs and proteins has already taken place.

What does the Bible say?

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Reply #28 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 3:00pm

Yadda wrote on Mar 27^th, 2017 at 2:35pm:

Q.
Do you think that the nature of the colonies of bacteria that reside within our body, can determine whether our immune system is strong and healthy, or, weak ?

I believe that, that is the case.

Q.
Do you believe, can you believe, that it would be, to our benefit [i.e. beneficial to our good health] to try to eat foods which will tend to provide a friendly environment to those particular types of colonies of bacteria, which are most beneficial to our good health ?

Or, do you think that it would be most beneficial to simply eat, what we like to eat the most, and then, later, to 'take a pill', if we are suffering from 'indigestion' ?

i.e.
take a pill that will 'sort out' in quick order, those unfriendly bacteria in our stomach. Grin

A well balanced diet is of course good for your overall health and in general terms a healthy immune system is also beneficial.

BUT. A well balanced diet will not STOP you getting cancer, it will also not STOP you getting a bacterial or viral infection.

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 20956 A cat with a view	Re: Most Cancer IS Preventable, BUT...... Reply #29 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 3:03pm Quote: What does the Bible say? The bible says; "Ill health to all who spit in Gods face."
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