Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 15^th, 2012 at 8:41pm:

So you automaticlly asume that every muslim not working is their fore on unemployments benifits, centrelink income or pensions.

There not they come to this country with wealth and money.

Running their busnesses, and making money , their youth are only a problem because they havn;t been given a chance to work in their comunity businesses as yet.
They haven't made enough money yet to give the siblings work.

Big Dave wrote on Mar 6^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:


Ah, my frien, my pussy is directed at anything which move. She is so hungree!

Muslim youth, Carribeans, Germans, Chows - even pincer - it is best you give them lovey treats to eat. They love this, frien, habibi, angel, Charlie Chan.

You are a good man, yes?

Give your pussy a little pat and she will.always come to you, isn’t it.

Gud loves all souls, it is so.

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 5^th, 2013 at 2:16pm:



Troy? The Greeks vs Persia? Ottomans vs Christendom? Tartars vs everyone? Constantinople vs Arab invaders? India vs Arab invaders? The Spanish civil war? WWII?  All about access to gay marriage, no doubt.

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No Karnal. Hitler outdid Muhammed in other areas. He certainly slaughtered more Jews. Muhammed was very disorganised in that regard.

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What makes you think Islam was any different in Muhammed's time? If Hitler had been anywhere near as successful in establishing his version of the Caliphate, his predecessors would have easily turned his dogma into religion. The seeds are certainly there.

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There are plenty of parallels.

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Hitler had some funny spiritual ideas.

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Except of course for the whole 'thousand year reich' thing. The Muslims also do supremacy, they just base it on religion rather than race.


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Could you give a few examples that you think should be added to this list?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/evolution/christian-foundation-science.html

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Are you denying that the only evidence for this claim spanning 700 years is from the reference in a poem?

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Gandalf, perhaps an analogy might help you understand. Paper and ink are useful inventions. Without them, science would not be where it is today. Neither would language, literature, politics, art, music, religion and any other field of human knowledge. But this does not mean that the illiterate farmer beating papyrus into sheets is composing a symphony. The engineers at the Bic factory are not discovering new subatomic particles. Likewise, developments in maths are not the same thing as developments in basic science. They are fundamentally different. Going on and on about how important it is despite the difference just misses the point.

freediver wrote on Mar 6^th, 2013 at 9:19pm:


no. But reference in one poem still counts as documented evidence.

freediver wrote on Mar 6^th, 2013 at 9:19pm:


You seem to be very confused if you are making an analogy with papyrus farmers and bic engineers.

The correct analogy would be with the inventors of ink and paper - and  I would definitely hold these people as very important contributors to the advancement of knowledge and progress. Its just common sense - exactly like how the muslims who helped make maths what it is today deserve credit for contributing to the advancement of science. Rejecting this based on some bizarre argument that claims that maths and science somehow have no relation is just desperate and pathetic.

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 4^th, 2013 at 4:01pm:


Maybe. But everything is a construct of some description.

The Western countries can be tied together a number of ways. Language is one. All the European languages share a common root, some more so than others. German, English, and Dutch are closely related. Spanish, French, and Italian are related. Norwegian, Swedish, and Danish are related. But going back, they are all related to the same group of people.

Europeans are even related to the Indians, Kurds, and Persians linguistically and ethnically.

A big tribe migrated from the Asian steppes to various parts of the world. Some headed West (these are today the European countries) others headed north (today these are the Russians), and many headed south east and mixed with the natives there - the Persians, Indians, Kurds, even the Afghani's are related to the Euro's.

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2013 at 7:47am:


Evidence that it happened. We have a poem whose authenticity is not disputed, referring to an inventor who's existence and engineering feats are not disputed, claiming that he did something that was right up his alley. Put simply, there is no good reason to assume that it wasn't true.

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2013 at 7:47am:


The poem was very specific about what he did, so I don't know why you would call it "filling in the blanks". You cannot escape the fact that it is a primary document, which is a hell of a lot more than many other historical "facts" that were merely relayed to us second hand. Historians would generally agree that that would meet the minimum criteria for describing this as an historical fact.

The sensible way to describe the claim would be somewhere along these lines: Evidence from a contemporary poem suggests that the well known muslim polymath Abbas Ibn Firnas made an attempt at flying . Note that it doesn't state that it definitely did or didn't happen - merely that there is historical documented evidence that it did. That approach is eminently more sensible than your claim that it was "obviously fabricated".

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2013 at 7:47am:


I don't have much of a problem with you running with this, my only beef is with your absurd contention that it was "obviously fabricated".

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2013 at 7:47am:


no he wasn't. And comparing the preeminent mathematicians and scientists of their day with illiterate farmers who have no interest in advancing knowledge and science shouldn't even be dignified with a response.

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2013 at 7:47am:


right, and you realise discovering subatomic particles is done mathematically? Or what you think they just use a really smacking big microscope? But of course according to you physics doesn't need any maths - it can all be done with pretty pictures and "plain English". 

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2013 at 7:47am:


they deserve and do get credit. Of course you have to understand that the real pioneers here is not just the person who produced the physical material, but who understood and promoted its practical application. Just like the muslim scientists who developed algebra and the scientific method actually had a vision for its potential, and invented the applications that we find so useful today.

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2013 at 7:47am:


where? I saw a made up statement about camel urine, falsely accusing muslims of "clinging" to historically dubious claims (in reality muslims cling to all the big things like maths, physics and human anatomy) - and some vague reference to apostasy laws.

None of which explains how the islamic world actually was the centre of the world in terms of learning and scientific advances for about 500 years - in great academic centres such as Cordoba and Baghdad. All during the time christianity in the western world actually was stifling science and learning.

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2013 at 7:47am:


Yup - I have never mentioned the invention of the scientific method, discoveries in human anatomy, advances in medicine or astronomy at least 3 or 4 freaking times now have I? If it helps, forget about maths if you like and concentrate on these things - even though it makes no sense to isolate maths as not having anything to do with basic science  .