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Reply #30 - Sep 28^th, 2012 at 11:56am

Grey wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 11:52am:

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Society has failed this man. We all must share the blame for creating a society that allowed this to happen* Cry

*I know I know, this sentiment only excuses minorities. Flog him good.

You're nearly quoting me accurately. But quite out of context. I have said that more than once - while advocating FOR the death penalty; and nothing to do with 'minorities'.

My argument is that all such monsters are babies that we as a society failed. Sometimes people grow so horribly bad that 'putting them down', as we would a mad dog, is probably valid. But spare me the self righteous indignation.

'Minorities' is in anycase a word I don't use. I don't like it because I am a minority of one as far as I'm concerned, and have no problem with that. What are termed minority groups are in fact more like majority groups.

So you believe our behaviour is entirely the product of our environment?

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Reply #32 - Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:04pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:01pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Retrabution is a natural instinct.

And he fully deserves to be punished for his crimes.

However, talk of hangings and throwing people to the lions contributes absolutely nothing worthwhile to the debate.

I agree with the last paragraph in essence of throwing people to animals etc but my support is quite different.

I support a death penalty - backed up by due process and avenues of appeal and final appeal - before a systematic removal of people by way of lethal injection.

Nobody would be removed without a trial, an appeal and a 2nd appeal.

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Reply #33 - Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:07pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Should this gentleman be found guilty of the opportune rape and murder of an innocent young lady - ruining a set of families for life - he has, in my mind, given up his right to exist on this earth.

Yep, he probably has. I certainly wouldn't miss him.

However, we don't actually have the right to kill people. We all may wish him dead, but we have no right to actually carry out the killing. Just as he had no right to kill Jill.

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Reply #34 - Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:09pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:01pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Retrabution is a natural instinct.

And he fully deserves to be punished for his crimes.

However, talk of hangings and throwing people to the lions contributes absolutely nothing worthwhile to the debate.

I agree with the last paragraph in essence of throwing people to animals etc but my support is quite different.

I support a death penalty - backed up by due process and avenues of appeal and final appeal - before a systematic removal of people by way of lethal injection.

Nobody would be removed without a trial, an appeal and a 2nd appeal.

Yep, I understand where you're coming from.

However, I just can't support the notion of premeditated killings carried out by the state. It just lowers us all to the killers' level.

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Reply #36 - Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:09pm

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 11:14am:

mantra wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 9:15am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 8:59am:

We can only hope they got the right person, but apparently there is a few witnesses to testify that this man has tried to abduct women before.

Women must be ever vigilant when alone at night, in a perfect world there would be no men lurking in the streets after dark, but the world is far from perfect, unfortunately.

It's a terrible tragedy. Young women are very vulnerable, but by 30 - they are usually becoming more cautious. It's hard to imagine her even wanting to walk that short distance home through a dark, empty alley, but she had her guard down.

She may not have had the taxi fare on her. No choice - gotta get home.

SOB

She only lived 700m away.

Yeah so not really far enough to get a taxi for . . .

SOB

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Reply #37 - Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:09pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:07pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Should this gentleman be found guilty of the opportune rape and murder of an innocent young lady - ruining a set of families for life - he has, in my mind, given up his right to exist on this earth.

Yep, he probably has. I certainly wouldn't miss him.

However, we don't actually have the right to kill people. We all may wish him dead, but we have no right to actually carry out the killing. Just as he had no right to kill Jill.

Sure, we don't - but her family does.

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Reply #38 - Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:09pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:07pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Should this gentleman be found guilty of the opportune rape and murder of an innocent young lady - ruining a set of families for life - he has, in my mind, given up his right to exist on this earth.

Yep, he probably has. I certainly wouldn't miss him.

However, we don't actually have the right to kill people. We all may wish him dead, but we have no right to actually carry out the killing. Just as he had no right to kill Jill.

No at this moment, and the way Australia is that will probably remain.

However should this terrible tragedy have taken place here in the United States, the state most certainly does have the right and legal clout to remove said individual.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26460 Australia	Re: Murderer of Jill Meagher found. Reply #39 - Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:10pm ... wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 11:30am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 11:15am: Oh what a surprise he isnt muslim. SOB How do you know? Because of he was the media would be all over it SOB
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Reply #40 - Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:10pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 11:29am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 9:35am:

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The police have done top work & they got him.
We don't know if they got him Bobby. Is he not innocent until proven guilty?. The man must have his day in court. Sad

That's right Crook - a fair trial - a fair appeal
& then hang em.

sending him to jail is a waste of tax payers money.

take him to the zoo and throw him in the lions cage. then he can experience fear before he gets chopped up into little pieces Wink

Good idea Nail,
free food for the lions.

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Reply #41 - Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:12pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:07pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Should this gentleman be found guilty of the opportune rape and murder of an innocent young lady - ruining a set of families for life - he has, in my mind, given up his right to exist on this earth.

Yep, he probably has. I certainly wouldn't miss him.

However, we don't actually have the right to kill people. We all may wish him dead, but we have no right to actually carry out the killing. Just as he had no right to kill Jill.

No at this moment, and the way Australia is that will probably remain.

However should this terrible tragedy have taken place here in the United States, the state most certainly does have the right and legal clout to remove said individual.

The legal right, sure, but they certainly don't have the moral right.

And thankfully, Australia will never have the legal right again.

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Reply #42 - Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:13pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

Hang the bastard.

Bobby, your view doesn't remotely help supporters of the death penalty.

The preferred method I support tries to move us as far away from the notion of the baying mob in front of the gallows as much as we can.

Mine is a support of due process, the rights of an individual to have a fair trial, to have a hearing of a panel of judges of the case and of a supreme court deciding before the execution is carried out.

As clean and as far from a baying mob mentality as you can get.
There is none further from an uninformed baying mob than a panel of Judges reviewing both side of the case and of a Supreme Court deciding this individual should die.

The "hang 'em" and "feed them to the lions" shouts actually hinders those of us that support execution than helps us.

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Reply #43 - Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:13pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 11:38am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 11:29am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 9:35am:

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The police have done top work & they got him.
We don't know if they got him Bobby. Is he not innocent until proven guilty?. The man must have his day in court. Sad

That's right Crook - a fair trial - a fair appeal
& then hang em.

sending him to jail is a waste of tax payers money.

take him to the zoo and throw him in the lions cage. then he can experience fear before he gets chopped up into little pieces Wink

Comments like this are a poor reflection on society.

No wonder we have animals like the Jill Meagher rapist/murderer walking around if this is the attitude of our law abiding citizens.

Anyway, the cops have done a good job on this one. I just hope they've got the right guy (no reason to think they haven't at this stage) and that he's locked away for a very long time.

I've got a couple of daughters in Melbourne, so I certainly don't want this guy back on the streets.

what nonsense !!

The trouble with do-gooders is that unless something happens that directly effects them or their family then they always prescribe the softly-softly approach to dealing with crime Sad

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Reply #44 - Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:14pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:12pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 12:07pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 28^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Should this gentleman be found guilty of the opportune rape and murder of an innocent young lady - ruining a set of families for life - he has, in my mind, given up his right to exist on this earth.

Yep, he probably has. I certainly wouldn't miss him.

However, we don't actually have the right to kill people. We all may wish him dead, but we have no right to actually carry out the killing. Just as he had no right to kill Jill.

No at this moment, and the way Australia is that will probably remain.

However should this terrible tragedy have taken place here in the United States, the state most certainly does have the right and legal clout to remove said individual.

The legal right, sure, but they certainly don't have the moral right.

And thankfully, Australia will never have the legal right again.

Morality is subjective.
I argue that the state does have the moral right to remove the individual should they take the life of another innocent member of society.

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