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Reply #285 - Oct 6^th, 2012 at 3:37pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 6^th, 2012 at 3:08pm:

I agree bobby, in cases where there is no hope of reform , a never to be released stamp is ok with me.

I think there are a few people in our prison system that will never get released. The granny killer, Dunn, the child molester, a woman who cooked her boyfriend and served him up for tea and a few others, all better behind bars than out on the street.

The death penalty will only stop that one person from re-offending, it is no deterrent to other's though.

I don't think if this bloke is found guilty he'll get the NTBR stamp though, maybe 20 years.

But then he could re-offend.

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Re: Murderer of Jill Meagher found.
Reply #286 - Oct 6^th, 2012 at 4:07pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 6^th, 2012 at 3:37pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 6^th, 2012 at 3:08pm:

I agree bobby, in cases where there is no hope of reform , a never to be released stamp is ok with me.

I think there are a few people in our prison system that will never get released. The granny killer, Dunn, the child molester, a woman who cooked her boyfriend and served him up for tea and a few others, all better behind bars than out on the street.

The death penalty will only stop that one person from re-offending, it is no deterrent to other's though.

I don't think if this bloke is found guilty he'll get the NTBR stamp though, maybe 20 years.

But then he could re-offend.

He could too, but it's up to the Psychiatrists to work out if he has been rehabilitated. If he rejects rehabilitation, he shouldn't be released.

Other murderers have been released and never re-offended. The tricky part is knowing who might, who might not and who probably will. I wouldn't want that job.

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Re: Murderer of Jill Meagher found.
Reply #287 - Oct 8^th, 2012 at 6:59am

Grey wrote on Oct 6^th, 2012 at 3:34pm:

warrigal wrote on Oct 6^th, 2012 at 7:13am:

and because we preceive that someone is Evil we have axiety and Anger in the Community.

It's you that's full of crap Warrigal. It's a crap response to put words and ideas in somebody elses head. I don't believe in evil, I've little faith in punishment and no time for revenge.

Look at it this way. If a country was to declare war on Australia, would you be against fighting back ? These guys have basically declared war on society. there's only one way to stop people trying to kill you. Well you CAN put them in prison; which is virtually saying they can kill these other people instead. Or you can put them in solitary confinement for ever, (how cruel is THAT?). And you can continue in many ways to waste money but that could be spent on kids making sure they have better outcomes.

I still can't see how you can possibly justify your comments in support of the Death penalty here.

and if you still think this , that this is the only way, ]well that just makes you Grey the Marshall that gos out to hunt down and kill the criminal, and all in the guise of Oh I'am protecting the Public.

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Re: Murderer of Jill Meagher found.
Reply #288 - Oct 8^th, 2012 at 7:07am

My final comment on this here now is this.

put him back in gaol for previous crimes, ofensive on parole etc, don't charge him with murder and rape , because tht just will open up another pandora box of bad things.

as far as Grey's comment about defending Australia, no I would not defend Australia, I would expect Australia to defend its self with its defence forces
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(They do the Job Australia Pays them to DO)

you can't control Evil with more Evil, or didn't we learn that with the International war on terror.

No win No out come.

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Re: Murderer of Jill Meagher found.
Reply #289 - Oct 8^th, 2012 at 7:34am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 6^th, 2012 at 2:04pm:

Pansi,
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I'm just saying that there will always be opportunists out there ready to pounce so we all should be on our guard.

It's natural for the community to get anxious and angry when a young person is murdered in cold blood.

I also agree that the law as it stands is well able to dish out the correct punishment for the perpetrator of such crimes.

I would like to change the topic to one of:

how can we stop this happening again?
(apart from the noose )

WE Can make things better for the criminal that Has served there Time , so thay are not Forced to Reoffend.

What if we were to find that the murderer of Jill
was a serial rapist who was allowed back out on the streets?

It's time that judges give out sentences that stop these
rapists & murderers from ever getting out of jail & onto our streets.

From memory - the 5 murderers & rapists in the Anita Cobby case
were all jailed for life with no possibility of parole.

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Re: Murderer of Jill Meagher found.
Reply #290 - Oct 8^th, 2012 at 11:43am

warrigal wrote on Oct 8^th, 2012 at 6:59am:

Grey wrote on Oct 6^th, 2012 at 3:34pm:

warrigal wrote on Oct 6^th, 2012 at 7:13am:

and because we preceive that someone is Evil we have axiety and Anger in the Community.

It's you that's full of crap Warrigal. It's a crap response to put words and ideas in somebody elses head. I don't believe in evil, I've little faith in punishment and no time for revenge.

Look at it this way. If a country was to declare war on Australia, would you be against fighting back ? These guys have basically declared war on society. there's only one way to stop people trying to kill you. Well you CAN put them in prison; which is virtually saying they can kill these other people instead. Or you can put them in solitary confinement for ever, (how cruel is THAT?). And you can continue in many ways to waste money but that could be spent on kids making sure they have better outcomes.

I still can't see how you can possibly justify your comments in support of the Death penalty here.

and if you still think this , that this is the only way, ]well that just makes you Grey the Marshall that gos out to hunt down and kill the criminal, and all in the guise of Oh I'am protecting the Public.

Shamefull

No what's shameful is human beings swirling around like sardines and relying on numbers to protect themselves from predators.

'Evil' is a religious word, it's bulldust. your attitude is pure whimsy and straw. I never asked if you'd defend Australia, I asked if it would be wrong for Australia to defend itself. You can and sometimes have to, fight fire with fire. Man would you even not defend your own children?

I simply don't think imprisonment in solitary confinement forever is a humane option; and that's the only option for some people. I'd be very happy to see the ritual of execution done away with. The only cruel thing about execution is the terrifying of the subject in the last minutes, that's totally unnecessary and barbaric.

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Re: Murderer of Jill Meagher found.
Reply #291 - Oct 8^th, 2012 at 11:52am

Grey wrote on Oct 8^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

warrigal wrote on Oct 8^th, 2012 at 6:59am:

Grey wrote on Oct 6^th, 2012 at 3:34pm:

warrigal wrote on Oct 6^th, 2012 at 7:13am:

and because we preceive that someone is Evil we have axiety and Anger in the Community.

It's you that's full of crap Warrigal. It's a crap response to put words and ideas in somebody elses head. I don't believe in evil, I've little faith in punishment and no time for revenge.

Look at it this way. If a country was to declare war on Australia, would you be against fighting back ? These guys have basically declared war on society. there's only one way to stop people trying to kill you. Well you CAN put them in prison; which is virtually saying they can kill these other people instead. Or you can put them in solitary confinement for ever, (how cruel is THAT?). And you can continue in many ways to waste money but that could be spent on kids making sure they have better outcomes.

I still can't see how you can possibly justify your comments in support of the Death penalty here.

and if you still think this , that this is the only way, ]well that just makes you Grey the Marshall that gos out to hunt down and kill the criminal, and all in the guise of Oh I'am protecting the Public.

Shamefull

No what's shameful is human beings swirling around like sardines and relying on numbers to protect themselves from predators.

'Evil' is a religious word, it's bulldust. your attitude is pure whimsy and straw. I never asked if you'd defend Australia, I asked if it would be wrong for Australia to defend itself. You can and sometimes have to, fight fire with fire. Man would you even not defend your own children?

I simply don't think imprisonment in solitary confinement forever is a humane option; and that's the only option for some people. I'd be very happy to see the ritual of execution done away with. The only cruel thing about execution is the terrifying of the subject in the last minutes, that's totally unnecessary and barbaric.

Some (if not most) criminals would prolly prefer life in solitary to death.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 111600 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Murderer of Jill Meagher found. Reply #292 - Oct 8^th, 2012 at 7:22pm Warrigal, Quote: WE Can make things better for the criminal that Has served their Time , so thay are not Forced to Reoffend. OK - what about: a TV , 3 meals a day & education - hold on - don't they already get that now? And when they get out they get the dole.
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Re: Murderer of Jill Meagher found.
Reply #293 - Oct 9^th, 2012 at 6:37am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 8^th, 2012 at 7:22pm:

Warrigal,
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WE Can make things better for the criminal that Has served their Time , so thay are not Forced to Reoffend.

OK - what about: a TV , 3 meals a day & education -
hold on - don't they already get that now?
And when they get out they get the dole.

How is the Dole better batman

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Re: Murderer of Jill Meagher found.
Reply #294 - Oct 9^th, 2012 at 6:44am

e of you bastards here have ever been charged with anything have you , so you wouldn't bugger know.

I have now got a domestic viloence order against me because no one gave a stuff about me.

if I get apprehend by the police I now go to gaol.

If we fixed the problems in society maybe then we wouldn't have to lock people up.
IGNORANCE

as for grey comments and questions.

no I will defend my self against IGNORNT FICKS Like you Grey

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