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Baronvonrort

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Does the Quran allow alcohol?
Sep 11^th, 2012 at 2:21pm

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And from the fruits of the palm trees and grapevines you take intoxicant and good provision.Indeed that is a sign for people who reason.
http://quran.com/16/67

It sounds like Allah allows alcohol Abu can you enlighten us on why muslims dont drink alcohol despite the Quran allowing it?

If alcohol is indeed haram then why is there a verse in the Quran saying it is ok?

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Big Dave Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2164 Gender:	Re: Does the Quran allow alcohol? Reply #1 - Sep 11^th, 2012 at 4:50pm I once talked to a Turkish bloke at work about muslims drinking alcohol. He laughed and said "heaps of muslims drink alcohol". Apparently Pakistan is the leading internet porn users in the world.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47473 At my desk.	Re: Does the Quran allow alcohol? Reply #2 - Sep 11^th, 2012 at 7:30pm Muhammed initially allowed it in case a ban on alcohol scared people away from Islam. He later 'revealed' that is is in fact banned. That is why there are contradictory verses. Muslims take the later ruling as over-ruling the earlier ruling.
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Big Dave Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2164 Gender:	Re: Does the Quran allow alcohol? Reply #3 - Sep 11^th, 2012 at 8:04pm As I understand it anything that causes affect or change to the human body is banned in islam. How is it that they still smoke and drink coffee?
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Re: Does the Quran allow alcohol?
Reply #4 - Sep 11^th, 2012 at 8:12pm

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2012 at 7:30pm:

Muhammed initially allowed it in case a ban on alcohol scared people away from Islam. He later 'revealed' that is is in fact banned. That is why there are contradictory verses. Muslims take the later ruling as over-ruling the earlier ruling.

If there are contradictions in the Quran then the fine print says it cannot be from Allah in sura 4:82
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Allah speaking-
Then do they not reflect upon the Quran? If it had been from any other than Allah they would have found within much contradiction

http://quran.com/4/82

Abu can you explain the process of abrogation which sidesteps the contradictions in the Quran?

The Quran says it was revealed during the month of Ramadan, how can there be earlier and later verses if that verse is correct?Is that another contradiction?
http://quran.com/2/185

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Re: Does the Quran allow alcohol?
Reply #5 - Sep 12^th, 2012 at 6:36pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11^th, 2012 at 2:21pm:

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And from the fruits of the palm trees and grapevines you take intoxicant and good provision.Indeed that is a sign for people who reason.
http://quran.com/16/67

It sounds like Allah allows alcohol Abu can you enlighten us on why muslims dont drink alcohol despite the Quran allowing it?

If alcohol is indeed haram then why is there a verse in the Quran saying it is ok?

The verse does not permit the drinking of alcohol at all.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47473 At my desk.	Re: Does the Quran allow alcohol? Reply #6 - Sep 12^th, 2012 at 6:39pm What is the correct interpretation Abu?
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Re: Does the Quran allow alcohol?
Reply #7 - Sep 12^th, 2012 at 7:32pm

freediver wrote on Sep 12^th, 2012 at 6:39pm:

What is the correct interpretation Abu?

For something to be permitted in Islam, there must be an express statement about it, not a general statement of its existence or prevalence.

It's well known alcohol was permitted by God for previous nations and even up until several years into the Hijri era. Alcohol in and of itself is not an "evil" thing. In fact the Qur'an says there is some good in it. However, the bad outweighs the good and therefore it is forbidden.

There's not really much to interpret, as it's merely a general statement about the reality of creation. It's not a verse that deals with the permitted and the prohibited things. The Islamic texts are very clear on things which are permitted and which are prohibited.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47473 At my desk.	Re: Does the Quran allow alcohol? Reply #8 - Sep 12^th, 2012 at 7:39pm Quote: For something to be permitted in Islam, there must be an express statement about it So everything is banned, unless explicitly stated otherwise, even if the Koran points out it's good qualities?
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Does the Quran allow alcohol? Reply #9 - Sep 12^th, 2012 at 8:58pm I did not state that. Like with this entire thread, it emanates purely from your imagination. The Qur'an never permits alcohol, it only ever prohibits it.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47473 At my desk.	Re: Does the Quran allow alcohol? Reply #10 - Sep 12^th, 2012 at 10:04pm Is it true that Muhammed initially permitted alcohol?
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Does the Quran allow alcohol? Reply #11 - Sep 12^th, 2012 at 10:41pm It is true that alcohol was not prohibited until into the hijri period, yes.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47473 At my desk.	Re: Does the Quran allow alcohol? Reply #12 - Sep 13^th, 2012 at 1:24pm Quote: For something to be permitted in Islam, there must be an express statement about it Can you explain how this differs from banning everything that is not expressly permitted? What is the hijri period?
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Re: Does the Quran allow alcohol?
Reply #13 - Sep 13^th, 2012 at 7:09pm

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 12^th, 2012 at 6:36pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11^th, 2012 at 2:21pm:

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And from the fruits of the palm trees and grapevines you take intoxicant and good provision.Indeed that is a sign for people who reason.
http://quran.com/16/67

It sounds like Allah allows alcohol Abu can you enlighten us on why muslims dont drink alcohol despite the Quran allowing it?

If alcohol is indeed haram then why is there a verse in the Quran saying it is ok?

The verse does not permit the drinking of alcohol at all.

They make wine from grapes so does that verse allow wine ?

The Muhsin Khan translation from the link says this was before the prohibition of alcohol which indicates to those who reason that this verse allows alcohol.

Allah is saying you can take intoxicant from the grapevines how is that not allowing alcohol?

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47473 At my desk.	Re: Does the Quran allow alcohol? Reply #14 - Sep 13^th, 2012 at 7:23pm Perhaps reasoning is a bad thing in Islam.
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