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Reply #75 - Aug 9^th, 2012 at 11:12am

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I quote the bit where he says apostasy is a capital offence and that it applies even to gay people. Please demonstrate where the context has altered the meaning. All of those quote from Abu I posted above have links.

You are quoting his book. I quote your book. He doesnt follow his and you dont follow yours. They both say ppl should be killed for apostasy.

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Would that be a good thing or a bad thing? What about all the non-Muslims? What about all the Muslims that Abu considers to be apostates? Contrary to the image Abu attempts to portray, there is no such thing as a homogenous Muslims country. The only thing that varies is the extent to which the people are afraid to be different.

I wasnt talking about abu i was talking about muslims in general. In australia when they ask for sharia law they are talking about for themselves not anyone else. In countries where it is allowed there are groups that choose to live by sharia law but the countries themselves reject having it for everyone.

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They want to impose it on everyone. They just recognise their own impotence.

That is not what they say so can you back that up?

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Even Abu is telling you this spot.

Abu is one person.

Not that it matters - they cant do it and arent trying so why be so afraid all the time?

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For someone who claims to oppose this BS you are incredibly blind to it.

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Extremists from all religions are dangerous and scary. However normal muslims are peaceful and dont want to do the stuff you are saying.

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #76 - Aug 9^th, 2012 at 12:38pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

I wasnt talking about abu i was talking about muslims in general. In australia when they ask for sharia law they are talking about for themselves not anyone else.
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The Australian federation of Islamic councls want muslims to be able to marry,divorce,and conduct financial transactions under the principles of Sharia law.

In a submission to federal parliament the federation has asked for the change.
It argues that all Australians would benefit if Islamic laws were adopted as mainistream legislation

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-05-17/muslim-group-wants-sharia-law-in-australia...

Are you suggesting it is ok to have parts of society living under a separarte religious legal system spot ?

Have you heard of the one law for all campaign to get rid of the sharia courts in the UK?

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #77 - Aug 9^th, 2012 at 12:49pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 12:38pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

I wasnt talking about abu i was talking about muslims in general. In australia when they ask for sharia law they are talking about for themselves not anyone else.
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The Australian federation of Islamic councls want muslims to be able to marry,divorce,and conduct financial transactions under the principles of Sharia law.

In a submission to federal parliament the federation has asked for the change.
It argues that all Australians would benefit if Islamic laws were adopted as mainistream legislation

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-05-17/muslim-group-wants-sharia-law-in-australia...

Are you suggesting it is ok to have parts of society living under a separarte religious legal system spot ?

Have you heard of the one law for all campaign to get rid of the sharia courts in the UK?

Did you read the thread? Did you read what i said? Geez. I said that in australia the muslims that want sharia law want it for themselves (muslims) not everyone in australia. I also pointed out that the government turned this down and said no because it conflicts with our laws. So it isnt going to happen.

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #78 - Aug 9^th, 2012 at 1:06pm

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You are quoting his book. I quote your book.

I am not quoting the Koran. I am quoting Abu. You really need to try to pay attention to what is going on spot. I have pointed this out to you before.

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He doesnt follow his and you dont follow yours.

Actually he does, quite literally. Ask him, if you aren't afraid of the truth.

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I wasnt talking about abu i was talking about muslims in general.

Yes Spot I realise you take intellectual shelter in generalisations because it allows you to make it up as you go along rather than face reality.

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That is not what they say so can you back that up?

What do you think Abu has saying in this thread? In his very first post he point blank refused to discuss what he wants and insisted the only thing we should discuss is what he is able to achieve. I would quote him bu you would accuse me of making it up then insist the meaning would be different if I quoted the entire thread.

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Abu is one person.

Falah is another. Lestat is another. Malik is another. There have been others also.

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Not that it matters - they cant do it and arent trying so why be so afraid all the time?

This is the same strawman that Abu trots out. I am just trying to get you to face reality.

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Extremists from all religions are dangerous and scary. However normal muslims are peaceful and dont want to do the stuff you are saying.

How can you tell the difference? Even when Abu says he believes in the death penalty for apostasy and destroying freedom and democracy yuou refuse to believe it. All he has to do is point out his impotence to achieve his goals and you take this to mean they are not his goals. I have never seen anyone so easy to fool.

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #79 - Aug 9^th, 2012 at 1:12pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 12:49pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 12:38pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

I wasnt talking about abu i was talking about muslims in general. In australia when they ask for sharia law they are talking about for themselves not anyone else.
SOB

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The Australian federation of Islamic councls want muslims to be able to marry,divorce,and conduct financial transactions under the principles of Sharia law.

In a submission to federal parliament the federation has asked for the change.
It argues that all Australians would benefit if Islamic laws were adopted as mainistream legislation

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-05-17/muslim-group-wants-sharia-law-in-australia...

Are you suggesting it is ok to have parts of society living under a separarte religious legal system spot ?

Have you heard of the one law for all campaign to get rid of the sharia courts in the UK?

Did you read the thread? Did you read what i said? Geez. I said that in australia the muslims that want sharia law want it for themselves (muslims) not everyone in australia. I also pointed out that the government turned this down and said no because it conflicts with our laws. So it isnt going to happen.

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It is already happening with polygamy spot, i know a muslim couple the wife remarried recently yet her husband is already married and spends about half of the week with his other wife,dont worry cantrelink is supporting both families.

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Members of Sydney's Islamic community belive polygamous marriages should be legalised to protect the rights of women.

Sheikh Khalil Chami of the Islamic welfare centre in Lakemba aid polygamous marriages existed in Australia and should be recognised

Sheikh Chami said he was asked almost weekly to conduct polygamous religious ceremonies, while he declined he said many other sheikh's performed them

http://www.theage.com.au/national/legalise-polygamous-unions-muslim-leaders-2008...

Do you like how they claim it protects the rights of women,Polygamy is illegal if they made it legal then it would protect the rights of the men who would otherwise be thrown in jail for breaking our laws.

If we allow musims to marry according to sharia law would that also allow child brides that are rampant in Islamic countries?

Lots of muslims calling for sharia law in Australia are you deaf dumb and blind spot?

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #80 - Aug 9^th, 2012 at 1:31pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 1:12pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 12:49pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 12:38pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

I wasnt talking about abu i was talking about muslims in general. In australia when they ask for sharia law they are talking about for themselves not anyone else.
SOB

Quote:

The Australian federation of Islamic councls want muslims to be able to marry,divorce,and conduct financial transactions under the principles of Sharia law.

In a submission to federal parliament the federation has asked for the change.
It argues that all Australians would benefit if Islamic laws were adopted as mainistream legislation

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-05-17/muslim-group-wants-sharia-law-in-australia...

Are you suggesting it is ok to have parts of society living under a separarte religious legal system spot ?

Have you heard of the one law for all campaign to get rid of the sharia courts in the UK?

Did you read the thread? Did you read what i said? Geez. I said that in australia the muslims that want sharia law want it for themselves (muslims) not everyone in australia. I also pointed out that the government turned this down and said no because it conflicts with our laws. So it isnt going to happen.

SOB

It is already happening with polygamy spot, i know a muslim couple the wife remarried recently yet her husband is already married and spends about half of the week with his other wife,dont worry cantrelink is supporting both families.

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Members of Sydney's Islamic community belive polygamous marriages should be legalised to protect the rights of women.

Sheikh Khalil Chami of the Islamic welfare centre in Lakemba aid polygamous marriages existed in Australia and should be recognised

Sheikh Chami said he was asked almost weekly to conduct polygamous religious ceremonies, while he declined he said many other sheikh's performed them

http://www.theage.com.au/national/legalise-polygamous-unions-muslim-leaders-2008...

Do you like how they claim it protects the rights of women,Polygamy is illegal if they made it legal then it would protect the rights of the men who would otherwise be thrown in jail for breaking our laws.

If we allow musims to marry according to sharia law would that also allow child brides that are rampant in Islamic countries?

Lots of muslims calling for sharia law in Australia are you deaf dumb and blind spot?

sharia law is not polygamy.

Also the muslims will follow their own islamic laws within their groups and within australian law - they just cant have sharia law legally. Are you dstupid and blind baron?

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #81 - Aug 9^th, 2012 at 1:40pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 1:31pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 1:12pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 12:49pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 12:38pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

I wasnt talking about abu i was talking about muslims in general. In australia when they ask for sharia law they are talking about for themselves not anyone else.
SOB

Quote:

The Australian federation of Islamic councls want muslims to be able to marry,divorce,and conduct financial transactions under the principles of Sharia law.

In a submission to federal parliament the federation has asked for the change.
It argues that all Australians would benefit if Islamic laws were adopted as mainistream legislation

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-05-17/muslim-group-wants-sharia-law-in-australia...

Are you suggesting it is ok to have parts of society living under a separarte religious legal system spot ?

Have you heard of the one law for all campaign to get rid of the sharia courts in the UK?

Did you read the thread? Did you read what i said? Geez. I said that in australia the muslims that want sharia law want it for themselves (muslims) not everyone in australia. I also pointed out that the government turned this down and said no because it conflicts with our laws. So it isnt going to happen.

SOB

It is already happening with polygamy spot, i know a muslim couple the wife remarried recently yet her husband is already married and spends about half of the week with his other wife,dont worry cantrelink is supporting both families.

Quote:

Members of Sydney's Islamic community belive polygamous marriages should be legalised to protect the rights of women.

Sheikh Khalil Chami of the Islamic welfare centre in Lakemba aid polygamous marriages existed in Australia and should be recognised

Sheikh Chami said he was asked almost weekly to conduct polygamous religious ceremonies, while he declined he said many other sheikh's performed them

http://www.theage.com.au/national/legalise-polygamous-unions-muslim-leaders-2008...

Do you like how they claim it protects the rights of women,Polygamy is illegal if they made it legal then it would protect the rights of the men who would otherwise be thrown in jail for breaking our laws.

If we allow musims to marry according to sharia law would that also allow child brides that are rampant in Islamic countries?

Lots of muslims calling for sharia law in Australia are you deaf dumb and blind spot?

sharia law is not polygamy.

Also the muslims will follow their own islamic laws within their groups and within australian law - they just cant have sharia law legally. Are you dstupid and blind baron?

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Islamic law allows a man to have 4 wives, sex slaves are halal for muslim men as well.

Polygamy exists with the Islamic community in Australia are they following Australian law or gods law with that?

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #83 - Aug 9^th, 2012 at 2:54pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 1:40pm: