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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #105 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 7:51am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 7:36am:
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 6:18am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 7:03am:
Abu,
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I want a society based on the true word of God.


But the true word of God says you must kill apostates.
Your reply doesn't make sense.


No it doesn't. Capital punishment is an affair of the state, not of any individual.

Does the Australian legal system say you must kidnap thieves and tie them up in your basement?


I thought Islam made capital punishment a community affair and encouraged everyone to participate in the long, drawn out death. You joke about the Australian legal system doing it, but that is what Islam actually does, isn't it Abu?



Good point Freediver,
They all join in & stone women to death.
They are barbaric people still trapped in a bronze age time warp.
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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #106 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 3:53pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 6:35am:
There is capital punishment in america. There is no capital punishment here. Hopefully there never will be. There is always a chance that an innocent will be murdered by the state. A lot of xtians are pro-capital punishment though. A LOT. Its not just a muslim thing.


Obviously Australia no longer has capital punishment. The point was spot, that just as the vast majority of Australians don't want to kidnap and tie up thieves, just because their law says thieves should be imprisoned, I don't personally want to execute anyone just because the law I believe in says it is so.
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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #107 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 3:55pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 7:36am:
I thought Islam made capital punishment a community affair and encouraged everyone to participate in the long, drawn out death. You joke about the Australian legal system doing it, but that is what Islam actually does, isn't it Abu?


Sorry fd, but I'm not aware of any Islamic law that obligates me to partake in any execution.

Islamic law however does advise that executions be public, in order to make their impact on society worthwhile. When people see the punishment being enacted in front of their own eyes, then they will be a lot less likely to commit the same kinds of crimes.
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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #108 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 11:45pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 6:18am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 7:03am:
Abu,
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I want a society based on the true word of God.



But the true word of God says you must kill apostates.



Your reply doesn't make sense.


No it doesn't.

Capital punishment is an affair of the state, not of any individual.

Does the Australian legal system say you must kidnap thieves and tie them up in your basement?






Abu,

The statement you made on this issue, does not align with the command of Allah.





The Koran, gives advice on the punishment for apostates who resist the spread of  ISLAMIC authority;

Don't bring those persons before a court,   
"seize them and slay them wherever ye find them....."


"They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;- "
Koran 4.89


And so, those infidels [i.e. apostates, and 'disbelievers'] who resist the authority of the REAL moslems, deserve no mercy, but should be "be seized and slain" [  <---- Allah commands this. And Allah, is never wrong! ]....

"Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City....whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)."
Koran 33.60,61


Those "seize and slay" acts commanded by Allah, are 'lawful' to every moslem.
.....because they ARE commanded by Allah himself.


And Allah reveals no 'qualification',    Allah commands moslems to "seize and slay" those who resist, and oppose, the spread of his law.







And any person who reveals themselves to be an apostate, ".....his blood may legally be spilled."

There are no IF'S, BUT'S or MAYBE'S.


FROM ISLAMIC LAW

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110



n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #109 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 12:02am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 7:38am:
And right on queue we have Spot trying to equate the death penalty for murder with Abu's support for the death penalty for thought crimes.



That is because there is a clear moral equivalence between the death penalty sanctioned in ISLAMIC law, and the death penalty in the laws of [some] secular states.
/sarc off



SPOT just opposes all avoidable [imposed] instances of human death.

Coz she is Saint SPOT, of OzPol.






Hey SPOT,

How do you feel about letting proven child killers live [....and indeed other proven beyond doubt killers] ?

Should we maintain our saintly tolerance, and forgive child killers their sins ?



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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #110 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 12:09am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 3:53pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 6:35am:
There is capital punishment in america. There is no capital punishment here. Hopefully there never will be. There is always a chance that an innocent will be murdered by the state. A lot of xtians are pro-capital punishment though. A LOT. Its not just a muslim thing.


Obviously Australia no longer has capital punishment. The point was spot, that just as the vast majority of Australians don't want to kidnap and tie up thieves, just because their law says thieves should be imprisoned,

I don't personally want to execute anyone just because the law I believe in says it is so.





LOL


More 'sainthood' on display.
/sarc off



Of course you don't Abu.

You don't want to see people die,
......you just want ISLAM and its authority [its authority to 'LAWFULLY' kill those who reject ISLAM], imposed upon this country, and indeed upon every country in the world.


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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #111 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 12:53am
 
Yadda wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 11:45pm:
The Koran, gives advice on the punishment for apostates who resist the spread of  ISLAMIC authority;

Don't bring those persons before a court,   
"seize them and slay them wherever ye find them....."


This verse relates to Arab pagans who were attacking the Muslims.

As usual Yadda, you are not even close to reality.
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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #112 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 3:07am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 12:53am:
Yadda wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 11:45pm:
The Koran, gives advice on the punishment for apostates who resist the spread of  ISLAMIC authority;

Don't bring those persons before a court,   
"seize them and slay them wherever ye find them....."


This verse relates to Arab pagans who were attacking the Muslims.


As usual Yadda, you are not even close to reality.





Those naughty Arab pagans!!

How dare they!!!




Abu,

And pray tell, why were the pagans attacking the moslems ???



"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."
Koran 9.5


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123



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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #113 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 7:51am
 
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SPOT just opposes all avoidable [imposed] instances of human death.

Coz she is Saint SPOT, of OzPol.


Now you know what i think do you lil girl?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1338623277/45#50

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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #114 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 7:54am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 3:55pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 7:36am:
I thought Islam made capital punishment a community affair and encouraged everyone to participate in the long, drawn out death. You joke about the Australian legal system doing it, but that is what Islam actually does, isn't it Abu?


Sorry fd, but I'm not aware of any Islamic law that obligates me to partake in any execution.

Islamic law however does advise that executions be public, in order to make their impact on society worthwhile. When people see the punishment being enacted in front of their own eyes, then they will be a lot less likely to commit the same kinds of crimes.


And they are meant to be stoned to death by a large crowd, right?

Did they ever get paid for throwing the stones?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 7:51am:
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SPOT just opposes all avoidable [imposed] instances of human death.

Coz she is Saint SPOT, of OzPol.


Now you know what i think do you lil girl?

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He seems to have a better grasp of you than you do of Abu.
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Reply #115 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 7:56am
 
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He seems to have a better grasp of you than you do of Abu.


How would you know?

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Reply #116 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 8:18am
 
Because I have seen how deluded you are about Abu's beliefs. It would be pretty hard to top that.
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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #117 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 10:03am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 8:18am:
Because I have seen how deluded you are about Abu's beliefs. It would be pretty hard to top that.


Lemme guess, because Spot's view does not mirrors yours? As your view is the ultimate truth right? All others are just not asking enough questions, enough times in enough different ways, to be able to make up their own answers... right?
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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #118 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 10:29am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 8:18am:
Because I have seen how deluded you are about Abu's beliefs. It would be pretty hard to top that.



Abu has admitted that he wouldn't be so barbaric to actually throw the stones
but I feel he would do nothing to protest such  Islamic laws.
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Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia?
Reply #119 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 12:18pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 10:03am:
freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 8:18am:
Because I have seen how deluded you are about Abu's beliefs. It would be pretty hard to top that.


Lemme guess, because Spot's view does not mirrors yours? As your view is the ultimate truth right? All others are just not asking enough questions, enough times in enough different ways, to be able to make up their own answers... right?


Correct me if I'm wrong Abu. I don't expect you to, but you could go a long way to resolving Spot's delusions.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 9th, 2012 at 6:36am:
He said he didnt want sharia law in australia.


Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 9th, 2012 at 11:12am:
You are quoting his book. I quote your book. He doesnt follow his and you dont follow yours. They both say ppl should be killed for apostasy.



Bobby. wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 10:29am:
freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 8:18am:
Because I have seen how deluded you are about Abu's beliefs. It would be pretty hard to top that.



Abu has admitted that he wouldn't be so barbaric to actually throw the stones
but I feel he would do nothing to protest such  Islamic laws.


He supports the death penalty for apostasy, and the rest of Shariah law.
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