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Question: Do you trust Tony Abbott?

yes    
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Reply #270 - Aug 15th, 2012 at 6:07pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:48pm:
Prevailing wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 6:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 6:30pm:
Longweekend/Gold,
You're losing 17 to 6 on this poll.

Read that 17 to 5 because no doubt you voted twice - using 2 names.

Get a job you bum.. Smiley Smiley



Who are you telling to get a job Prevailing?

The point is that the poll is conclusive:

people don't trust Tony Abbott.


but they trust Gillard less which is the point.
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Re: Tony admits WORKCHOICES round 2.
Reply #271 - Aug 27th, 2012 at 10:49pm
 
Did anyone see the latest news on TV?
John Howard wants Tony to bring back workchoices.

I was right all along.   Grin
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Reply #272 - Aug 27th, 2012 at 11:10pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 10:49pm:
Did anyone see the latest news on TV?
John Howard wants Tony to bring back workchoices.

I was right all along.   Grin


The Gillard Howard alliance...nice assist... Smiley Smiley
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Re: Tony admits WORKCHOICES round 2.
Reply #273 - Aug 27th, 2012 at 11:28pm
 
Prevailing wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 11:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 10:49pm:
Did anyone see the latest news on TV?
John Howard wants Tony to bring back workchoices.

I was right all along.   Grin


The Gillard Howard alliance...nice assist... Smiley Smiley



Howard plays into the hands of Labor - what a dork!  Grin
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Re: Tony admits WORKCHOICES round 2.
Reply #274 - Aug 27th, 2012 at 11:35pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 11:28pm:
Prevailing wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 11:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 10:49pm:
Did anyone see the latest news on TV?
John Howard wants Tony to bring back workchoices.

I was right all along.   Grin


The Gillard Howard alliance...nice assist... Smiley Smiley



Howard plays into the hands of Labor - what a dork!  Grin

Howard & Gillard in a political alliance to undermine Abbott, this is about idology not parties,,, Smiley Smiley
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Reply #275 - Aug 27th, 2012 at 11:42pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 10:49pm:
Did anyone see the latest news on TV?
John Howard wants Tony to bring back workchoices.

I was right all along.   Grin

Were you right that howard wants work choices. That would be a revelation if not everyone knew that as well.

But congrats on being right anyway.
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Reply #276 - Aug 27th, 2012 at 11:48pm
 
Gillard supports workchoices too make no mistake... Smiley Smiley
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Re: Tony admits WORKCHOICES round 2.
Reply #277 - Aug 27th, 2012 at 11:49pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 11:42pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 10:49pm:
Did anyone see the latest news on TV?
John Howard wants Tony to bring back workchoices.

I was right all along.   Grin

Were you right that howard wants work choices. That would be a revelation if not everyone knew that as well.
But congrats on being right anyway.


Didn't Gold/Longweekend deny it?


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Re: Tony admits WORKCHOICES round 2.
Reply #278 - Aug 27th, 2012 at 11:54pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 11:49pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 11:42pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 27th, 2012 at 10:49pm:
Did anyone see the latest news on TV?
John Howard wants Tony to bring back workchoices.

I was right all along.   Grin

Were you right that howard wants work choices. That would be a revelation if not everyone knew that as well.
But congrats on being right anyway.


Didn't Gold/Longweekend deny it?


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I dont know, but it is obvious to everyone that if howard talks of some elements or similar elements to workchoices, then he is going to be said that he wants workchoices by a labrat. It is hardly a revelation to say you knew it all along. The drum beat of a labrat is workchoices.
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Reply #279 - Aug 28th, 2012 at 6:36am
 
For all you Leftards clinging to the notion that Abbott intends to resurrect WorkChoices, please see below...

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has backed away from John Howard's comments on Work Choices as Labor called on him to again reject the policy.

'Let's face it - John Howard is two prime ministers ago. John Howard is three Liberal leaders ago,' Mr Abbott told reporters in Mackay, Queensland on Monday.

'That was then, this is now.


But the Labor government pursued Mr Abbott for an outright repudiation of Mr Howard's statements, with Workplace Minister Bill Shorten and Treasurer Wayne Swan saying a future coalition would return to the policy.

Mr Howard revived the issue - which was blamed for the fall of his government in 2007 - during off-the-record remarks to a Westpac forum in Sydney earlier this month.

'There is no reason why this country should not go back to the workplace system we had between 1996 and 2005 where you had individual contracts,' he said, according to The Australian Financial Review.

Mr Howard raised the concerns of small business faced with unfair dismissal claims, but apparently agreed it was a 'bad political mistake' to remove the no disadvantage test which prevented workers under individual contracts from being worse off.

Mr Abbott said the individual flexibility agreements in place under Labor's Fair Work Act, which replaced Work Choices, 'need to be made more workable'.

'But there's no going back to the past ... we want the Fair Work Act to work better,' he said.

However, Mr Swan said if Mr Howard was calling for a return to Work Choices, Mr Abbott would not be far behind.

'Liberals do what Liberals always do, which is attack the wages and working conditions of working people and slash their services,' he told reporters in Canberra.

Mr Shorten said it was time for Mr Abbott to again rule out a return to Work Choices and promise not to attack penalty rates.

'Mr Abbott needs to make it explicit, does he support what Mr Howard is saying?'

'We all know the opposition, or at least the strategists in the opposition leader's office, think that a workplace relations debate is the equivalent of them eating a bowl of rat poison,' Mr Shorten said.

But Liberal MP Steven Ciobo said it was 'absurd' employers weren't able to offer individual employment contracts to staff.

'It puts us behind the rest of the world when it comes to labour market flexibility,' he told Sky News.

Ahead of the 2010 election, Mr Abbott declared Work Choices 'dead, buried and cremated'.

Mr Abbott said on Monday any changes to current individual flexibility agreements would be 'cautious, careful and responsible'.

'We want to solve problems, not be ideological in this area,' he said.

But Unions NSW warned of an 'ice age for working people' if the coalition wins the next federal election due in late 2013.

'John Howard has made clear what those ex-ministers will do if returned, with his call to reinstate individual contracts and remove unfair dismissal protection,' Unions NSW secretary Mark Lennon said.

The Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry said it wanted a 'sensible system' of individual contracts.


http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStories/2012/08/27/Abbott_backs_away_from_How...


Gotta love Swan and Shorten jumping onto this like a pair of rabid dogs. Swan shouldn't even open his mouth on what he predicts Abbott will do, given his "that is a hysterical inaccuracy" carbon dioxide tax lie that proved Abbott right. As for Shorten, he's just an absolute dill. Some buy him a brain, please! Cue the ALP and Unions scare campaign to get into full swing now, despite WorkChoices not even being a Coalition policy...
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Reply #280 - Aug 28th, 2012 at 7:12am
 
Workchoices 2, Newman and Tony's stupidity all in one week = goodbye Tony.
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Reply #281 - Aug 28th, 2012 at 7:30am
 
i'm just flabergasted that you have so much energy to put into being scared of a policy(workchoices) which has the potential to create so much freedom in the workplace.

why are people so scared of freedom. what makes them so anxious of falling outside of the herd mentality.
are they that low in self esteem that they feel impotent against their boss.

put all that anxious energy into improving your work performance and then DEMAND your rights to a better deal.

negotiate on the basis of your individual skills, not on the basis of your terrified, frightened, small world view.

this herd mentality is a drive to the bottom , a drive back to slavery, a drive to serfdom.  your union leaders have duped you. they act in their interests not yours.

STAND UP FOR YOURSELVES.
we have 5 % unemployment, 3 % in WA.
now is the time to unleash your true market value, dont listen to your union bosses who just fear that you will enjoy your new found freedom.
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Reply #282 - Aug 28th, 2012 at 8:00am
 
The Liberals’ WorkChoices
Under WorkChoices, Australian workers faced the following cuts to their rights:     Sad

    Protection from being sacked unfairly was stripped away from more than three million workers.
    Employers had the power to put workers onto AWA individual contracts that cut the award pay and conditions of employees.
    The award safety net was effectively abolished and there were changes to the way minimum wages to drive down the pay of low income workers.     Sad

Young workers, women and casuals were the most vulnerable to WorkChoices and ended up being its worst victims.

More than a million low paid workers suffered real pay cuts of up to $90 a week from WorkChoices’ changes to minimum wages.

Thousands of workers were pushed onto AWA individual contracts and:     Sad

    70% lost shift loadings
    68% lost annual leave loadings
    65% lost penalty rates
    49% lost overtime loadings.
    25% no longer had public holidays.
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Reply #283 - Aug 28th, 2012 at 8:07am
 
Quote:
The Liberals’ WorkChoices
Under WorkChoices, Australian workers faced the following cuts to their rights:     Sad

    Protection from being sacked unfairly was stripped away from more than three million workers.
    Employers had the power to put workers onto AWA individual contracts that cut the award pay and conditions of employees.
    The award safety net was effectively abolished and there were changes to the way minimum wages to drive down the pay of low income workers.     Sad

Young workers, women and casuals were the most vulnerable to WorkChoices and ended up being its worst victims.

More than a million low paid workers suffered real pay cuts of up to $90 a week from WorkChoices’ changes to minimum wages.

Thousands of workers were pushed onto AWA individual contracts and:     Sad

    70% lost shift loadings
    68% lost annual leave loadings
    65% lost penalty rates
    49% lost overtime loadings.
    25% no longer had public holidays.

And. You seem to be a little slow. The election for workchoices has come and gone.
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Reply #284 - Aug 28th, 2012 at 8:12am
 
Quote:
The Liberals’ WorkChoices
Under WorkChoices, Australian workers faced the following cuts to their rights:     Sad

    Protection from being sacked unfairly was stripped away from more than three million workers.
    Employers had the power to put workers onto AWA individual contracts that cut the award pay and conditions of employees.
    The award safety net was effectively abolished and there were changes to the way minimum wages to drive down the pay of low income workers.     Sad

Young workers, women and casuals were the most vulnerable to WorkChoices and ended up being its worst victims.

More than a million low paid workers suffered real pay cuts of up to $90 a week from WorkChoices’ changes to minimum wages.

Thousands of workers were pushed onto AWA individual contracts and:     Sad

    70% lost shift loadings
    68% lost annual leave loadings
    65% lost penalty rates
    49% lost overtime loadings.
    25% no longer had public holidays.



crook are you sure those figures are right, they sound a bit high, where can i go to verify that. if those figures are true.
(did 65 % really lose penalty rates)  than i understand your concerns.
i thought one of the things about workchoices was that you could not, as an employer, give people a worse deal than they were already on during negotiations ????
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