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Reply #45 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:07pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:02pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 9:40pm:

The First Law of Sustainability

Population Growth &/or
Growth in the rates of Consumption of Resources
CAN NOT BE SUSTAINED!

Per Professor Albert Bartlett

You can have growth without population growth, or more consumption of resources.

Technological growth and wealth growth can occur without comsuming more resources, and deliver higher and higher quality of life.

But technological advancements have seen us using resources more and more efficiently.

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Reply #46 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:12pm

Shane B wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:07pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:02pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 9:40pm:

The First Law of Sustainability

Population Growth &/or
Growth in the rates of Consumption of Resources
CAN NOT BE SUSTAINED!

Per Professor Albert Bartlett

You can have growth without population growth, or more consumption of resources.

Technological growth and wealth growth can occur without comsuming more resources, and deliver higher and higher quality of life.

But technological advancements have seen us using resources more and more efficiently.

Do you mean like the shift from burning wood to coal? Or whale blubber to oil? Please explain.

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Reply #47 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:14pm

Soren wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 1:55pm:

Yeah, we can stop growth. These guys should be content with what they have. It could worse, it could be a shoe box.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Jakarta_slumhome_2.jpg
Cheesy

That's right, old boy. These hideous tinted consumers should clean up their act.

I like the addition of terracotta tiles to the roof - a nice little aspirational touch, that.

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Reply #48 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:21pm

Big Donger wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:12pm:

Shane B wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:07pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:02pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 9:40pm:

The First Law of Sustainability

Population Growth &/or
Growth in the rates of Consumption of Resources
CAN NOT BE SUSTAINED!

Per Professor Albert Bartlett

You can have growth without population growth, or more consumption of resources.

Technological growth and wealth growth can occur without comsuming more resources, and deliver higher and higher quality of life.

But technological advancements have seen us using resources more and more efficiently.

Do you mean like the shift from burning wood to coal? Or whale blubber to oil? Please explain.

I'm talking about technical efficiency. More crop yields per acre, more mileage per gallon etc.

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Reply #49 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:36pm

Big Donger wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 1:55pm:

Yeah, we can stop growth. These guys should be content with what they have. It could worse, it could be a shoe box.

Cheesy

That's right, old boy. These hideous tinted consumers should clean up their act.

I like the addition of terracotta tiles to the roof - a nice little aspirational touch, that.

Exactly. They seem to have plenty of clothes (I wonder how many pairs of shoes are inside).
Would their halos fall of if they picked up their own rubbish, rather than just tossing it under the humpy? Do we need to send them a coupla million to teach them how to not to smacking litter?? Do we need to run a 'Do the Right Thing' campaign across the Third World, otherwise they wouldn't know?

Or I am mistaken and not living in your own filth is just some peculiar Western contruct?

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Reply #50 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:46pm

Soren wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:36pm:

Big Donger wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 1:55pm:

Yeah, we can stop growth. These guys should be content with what they have. It could worse, it could be a shoe box.

Cheesy

That's right, old boy. These hideous tinted consumers should clean up their act.

I like the addition of terracotta tiles to the roof - a nice little aspirational touch, that.

Exactly. They seem to have plenty of clothes (I wonder how many pairs of shoes are inside).
Would their halos fall of if they picked up their own rubbish, rather than just tossing it under the humpy? Do we need to send them a coupla million to teach them how to not to smacking litter?? Do we need to run a 'Do the Right Thing' campaign across the Third World, otherwise they wouldn't know?

Or I am mistaken and not living in your own filth is just some peculiar Western contruct?

Let me get this straight. Your beef with the tinted races is that they are litterbugs. Do the Right Thing - Put it in the Bin.

You really are a bin-straightener, aren't you, old chap?

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Reply #51 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:56pm

Shane B wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:21pm:

Big Donger wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:12pm:

Shane B wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:07pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:02pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 9:40pm:

The First Law of Sustainability

Population Growth &/or
Growth in the rates of Consumption of Resources
CAN NOT BE SUSTAINED!

Per Professor Albert Bartlett

You can have growth without population growth, or more consumption of resources.

Technological growth and wealth growth can occur without comsuming more resources, and deliver higher and higher quality of life.

But technological advancements have seen us using resources more and more efficiently.

Do you mean like the shift from burning wood to coal? Or whale blubber to oil? Please explain.

I'm talking about technical efficiency. More crop yields per acre, more mileage per gallon etc.

Maybe. What are you doing to the soil to produce more crop yields per acre? How much fuel are you using to crop dust, and what are you adding to the food chain?

Equally importantly, how much actual nutrition are you producing from high sugar crops like corn, the crops that are prioritised by agribusiness and sold to multinational giants like Nestle and Coca Cola?

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Reply #52 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 3:03pm

Big Donger wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:56pm:

Shane B wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:21pm:

Big Donger wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:12pm:

Shane B wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:07pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:02pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 9:40pm:

The First Law of Sustainability

Population Growth &/or
Growth in the rates of Consumption of Resources
CAN NOT BE SUSTAINED!

Per Professor Albert Bartlett

You can have growth without population growth, or more consumption of resources.

Technological growth and wealth growth can occur without comsuming more resources, and deliver higher and higher quality of life.

But technological advancements have seen us using resources more and more efficiently.

Do you mean like the shift from burning wood to coal? Or whale blubber to oil? Please explain.

I'm talking about technical efficiency. More crop yields per acre, more mileage per gallon etc.

Maybe. What are you doing to the soil to produce more crop yields per acre? How much fuel are you using to crop dust, and what are you adding to the food chain?

Equally importantly, how much actual nutrition are you producing from high sugar crops like corn, the crops that are prioritised by agribusiness and sold to multinational giants like Nestle and Coca Cola?

Sugar is yummy.

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Big Donger Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102440	Re: Perpetual Growth means.... Reply #53 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 3:26pm That's what Soren's malnourished, morbidly obese litterbugs are saying. Meanwhile, he goes about his business selling cheese.
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Reply #54 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 4:28pm

Shane B wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:07pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 2:02pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 9:40pm:

The First Law of Sustainability

Population Growth &/or
Growth in the rates of Consumption of Resources
CAN NOT BE SUSTAINED!

Per Professor Albert Bartlett

You can have growth without population growth, or more consumption of resources.

Technological growth and wealth growth can occur without comsuming more resources, and deliver higher and higher quality of life.

But technological advancements have seen us using resources more and more efficiently.

shane b has never heard of jevons paradox!

Good luck with life Shane!! DO YOU FIND PEOPLE AVOIDING YOU OFTEN OR DO YOU SIMPLY NOT NOTICE BECAUSE THEY JUST MOVED FAR AWAY INEXPLICABLY!!???!! Kiss

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Reply #55 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 4:33pm

Shane B wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 10:00pm:

Paul Ehrlich, The Limits to Growth (1972).

Still hasn't happened.

Cheesy

Americans stopped growing their attitude 2 seconds after they saw 9-11 on global tv!

Lol, that was pretty funny how fast they stopped growing that shite!!

All of a sudden, "...nah, like,...that's not allowed... nah, biolgoical weapons are not fair y'all,... nah nah nah that's like against the rules man of decency and apple-pie and shite!!! Kiss

Yeh, the limits to growth haven't been reached..................... Roll Eyes

.....................says shane the crack smokin' liberal voter!! Embarrassed

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Reply #56 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 4:44pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 4:33pm:

Shane B wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 10:00pm:

Paul Ehrlich, The Limits to Growth (1972).

Still hasn't happened.

Cheesy

Americans stopped growing their attitude 2 seconds after they saw 9-11 on global tv!

Lol, that was pretty funny how fast they stopped growing that shite!!

All of a sudden, "...nah, like,...that's not allowed... nah, biolgoical weapons are not fair y'all,... nah nah nah that's like against the rules man of decency and apple-pie and shite!!! Kiss

Yeh, the limits to growth haven't been reached..................... Roll Eyes

.....................says shane the crack smokin' liberal voter!! Embarrassed

Unlike you we realize that only when we stop subsidizing and protecting unsustainable economies and populations like china India and Africa and stop our insane immigration program can we start moving in a sustainable direction...ready to abandon the dark and embrace the light yet... Roll Eyes

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Reply #57 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 4:59pm

Prevailing wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 4:44pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 4:33pm:

Shane B wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 10:00pm:

Paul Ehrlich, The Limits to Growth (1972).

Still hasn't happened.

Cheesy

Americans stopped growing their attitude 2 seconds after they saw 9-11 on global tv!

Lol, that was pretty funny how fast they stopped growing that shite!!

All of a sudden, "...nah, like,...that's not allowed... nah, biolgoical weapons are not fair y'all,... nah nah nah that's like against the rules man of decency and apple-pie and shite!!! Kiss

Yeh, the limits to growth haven't been reached..................... Roll Eyes

.....................says shane the crack smokin' liberal voter!! Embarrassed

Unlike you we realize that only when we stop subsidizing and protecting unsustainable economies and populations like china India and Africa and stop our insane immigration program can we start moving in a sustainable direction...ready to abandon the dark and embrace the light yet... Roll Eyes

Sure you're not a racist prevailing? Shocked

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Reply #58 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 5:09pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 4:59pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 4:44pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 4:33pm:

Shane B wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 10:00pm:

Paul Ehrlich, The Limits to Growth (1972).

Still hasn't happened.

Cheesy

Americans stopped growing their attitude 2 seconds after they saw 9-11 on global tv!

Lol, that was pretty funny how fast they stopped growing that shite!!

All of a sudden, "...nah, like,...that's not allowed... nah, biolgoical weapons are not fair y'all,... nah nah nah that's like against the rules man of decency and apple-pie and shite!!! Kiss

Yeh, the limits to growth haven't been reached..................... Roll Eyes

.....................says shane the crack smokin' liberal voter!! Embarrassed

Unlike you we realize that only when we stop subsidizing and protecting unsustainable economies and populations like china India and Africa and stop our insane immigration program can we start moving in a sustainable direction...ready to abandon the dark and embrace the light yet... Roll Eyes

Sure you're not a racist prevailing? Shocked

Yeh...thats why we believe in the same legal rights for All Australian citizens not just the White ones...redundant argument from an admitted racist free trade advocate and supporter of anti environment policies..,.

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Reply #59 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 5:13pm

Prevailing wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 5:09pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 4:59pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 4:44pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 4:33pm:

Shane B wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 10:00pm:

Paul Ehrlich, The Limits to Growth (1972).

Still hasn't happened.

Cheesy

Americans stopped growing their attitude 2 seconds after they saw 9-11 on global tv!

Lol, that was pretty funny how fast they stopped growing that shite!!

All of a sudden, "...nah, like,...that's not allowed... nah, biolgoical weapons are not fair y'all,... nah nah nah that's like against the rules man of decency and apple-pie and shite!!! Kiss

Yeh, the limits to growth haven't been reached..................... Roll Eyes

.....................says shane the crack smokin' liberal voter!! Embarrassed

Unlike you we realize that only when we stop subsidizing and protecting unsustainable economies and populations like china India and Africa and stop our insane immigration program can we start moving in a sustainable direction...ready to abandon the dark and embrace the light yet... Roll Eyes

Sure you're not a racist prevailing? Shocked

Yeh...thats why we believe in the same legal rights for All Australian citizens not just the White ones...redundant argument from an admitted racist free trade advocate and supporter of anti environment policies..,.

Lol, prevailing is talking about 'redundant' arguments now!

How many members in your RISE UP PARTY nowadays dood???? Wink

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