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Reply #15 - Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:42pm

Prevailing wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:28pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

That might work for a while, but there's problems in predicting demand. It's not easy to predicted equal manufacturing in line with equal demand and then make sure there is the equal re-growth/renewability of resources.

The old Soviet Union had this problem of predicting demand. They couldn't predict with any certainty how much and what to produce.
The market works better in that respect.

The old soviet union worked on the same principles of the free market. Free trade cased the last great depression and the current global financial crisis so why be addicted to failure? Cool

To an extent they were built on the same principles but the organization of production and consumption was very different. Still, I don't follow how tariffs, subsidies, and ending excess migration solves 'perpetual growth.' People 'demand' things, therefore how do you stop demand turning into growth?

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Reply #16 - Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:44pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:09pm:

Solutions?

It does mean solutions will have to be found to the predicaments we have put ourselves in, yes!

But, then, that is evolution so.... Grin

Well, it might be trendy and cool to 'rally against the system, man,' but pragmatic solutions are required when problems are identified.

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Reply #18 - Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:49pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:44pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:09pm:

Solutions?

It does mean solutions will have to be found to the predicaments we have put ourselves in, yes!

But, then, that is evolution so.... Grin

Well, it might be trendy and cool to 'rally against the system, man,' but pragmatic solutions are required when problems are identified.

gO FOR IT THEN! Wink

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Reply #20 - Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:00pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:44pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:09pm:

Solutions?

It does mean solutions will have to be found to the predicaments we have put ourselves in, yes!

But, then, that is evolution so.... Grin

Well, it might be trendy and cool to 'rally against the system, man,' but pragmatic solutions are required when problems are identified.

gO FOR IT THEN! Wink

The only solution (that I can come up with at this stage) is to encourage recycling further, and hope in the future technology can help firms to manufacture products from recyclable material. Because, the way business and money operates, it cannot but 'grow.' Growth is rooted in the very fundamentals of business.

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Reply #21 - Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:13pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:44pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:09pm:

Solutions?

It does mean solutions will have to be found to the predicaments we have put ourselves in, yes!

But, then, that is evolution so.... Grin

Well, it might be trendy and cool to 'rally against the system, man,' but pragmatic solutions are required when problems are identified.

gO FOR IT THEN! Wink

The only solution (that I can come up with at this stage) is to encourage recycling further, and hope in the future technology can help firms to manufacture products from recyclable material. Because, the way business and money operates, it cannot but 'grow.' Growth is rooted in the very fundamentals of business.

That has been the way it has been presented, BUT IT IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY, IN REALITY, OVER TIME, as we are now finding out!

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Reply #23 - Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:14pm

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:13pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:44pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:09pm:

Solutions?

It does mean solutions will have to be found to the predicaments we have put ourselves in, yes!

But, then, that is evolution so.... Grin

Well, it might be trendy and cool to 'rally against the system, man,' but pragmatic solutions are required when problems are identified.

gO FOR IT THEN! Wink

The only solution (that I can come up with at this stage) is to encourage recycling further, and hope in the future technology can help firms to manufacture products from recyclable material. Because, the way business and money operates, it cannot but 'grow.' Growth is rooted in the very fundamentals of business.

That has been the way it has been presented, BUT IT IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY, IN REALITY, OVER TIME, as we are now finding out!

How can you operate a business without having 'growth'?

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Reply #24 - Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:43pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:14pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:13pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:44pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:09pm:

Solutions?

It does mean solutions will have to be found to the predicaments we have put ourselves in, yes!

But, then, that is evolution so.... Grin

Well, it might be trendy and cool to 'rally against the system, man,' but pragmatic solutions are required when problems are identified.

gO FOR IT THEN! Wink

The only solution (that I can come up with at this stage) is to encourage recycling further, and hope in the future technology can help firms to manufacture products from recyclable material. Because, the way business and money operates, it cannot but 'grow.' Growth is rooted in the very fundamentals of business.

That has been the way it has been presented, BUT IT IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY, IN REALITY, OVER TIME, as we are now finding out!

How can you operate a business without having 'growth'?

Before we get into that question, watch Albert Bartlett's Exponential Function video's 1-8, then come back and you may find the question has changed to -
How can we continue to operate business Globally AND have exponential 'growth'?

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Reply #25 - Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:46pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:14pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:13pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:44pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:09pm:

Solutions?

It does mean solutions will have to be found to the predicaments we have put ourselves in, yes!

But, then, that is evolution so.... Grin

Well, it might be trendy and cool to 'rally against the system, man,' but pragmatic solutions are required when problems are identified.

gO FOR IT THEN! Wink

The only solution (that I can come up with at this stage) is to encourage recycling further, and hope in the future technology can help firms to manufacture products from recyclable material. Because, the way business and money operates, it cannot but 'grow.' Growth is rooted in the very fundamentals of business.

That has been the way it has been presented, BUT IT IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY, IN REALITY, OVER TIME, as we are now finding out!

How can you operate a business without having 'growth'?

why must you have growth? If the banks make $3 billion profit a year, why is that not enough? why must they screw everything and everyone to try and make that 3 become 6 become 16 ......

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Reply #26 - Jul 25^th, 2012 at 6:17pm

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:43pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:14pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:13pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:44pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:09pm:

Solutions?

It does mean solutions will have to be found to the predicaments we have put ourselves in, yes!

But, then, that is evolution so.... Grin

Well, it might be trendy and cool to 'rally against the system, man,' but pragmatic solutions are required when problems are identified.

gO FOR IT THEN! Wink

The only solution (that I can come up with at this stage) is to encourage recycling further, and hope in the future technology can help firms to manufacture products from recyclable material. Because, the way business and money operates, it cannot but 'grow.' Growth is rooted in the very fundamentals of business.

That has been the way it has been presented, BUT IT IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY, IN REALITY, OVER TIME, as we are now finding out!

How can you operate a business without having 'growth'?

Before we get into that question, watch Albert Bartlett's Exponential Function video's 1-8, then come back and you may find the question has changed to -
How can we continue to operate business Globally AND have exponential 'growth'?

I am not watching 80 minutes of video. Just sum it up for me in a few paragraphs.

If I am getting the context of that question right, all you're doing is putting the cart before the horse. It's not a question of 'how can we continue to have growth because of ... (insert horror story here),' it's more of 'how do you operate a business that works with no growth?' In other words, how do you change the fundamentals of business and still make sure everyone is fed, clothed, sheltered, and have the extras they want?

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Reply #27 - Jul 25^th, 2012 at 6:22pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:46pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:14pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:13pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:44pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:09pm:

Solutions?

It does mean solutions will have to be found to the predicaments we have put ourselves in, yes!

But, then, that is evolution so.... Grin

Well, it might be trendy and cool to 'rally against the system, man,' but pragmatic solutions are required when problems are identified.

gO FOR IT THEN! Wink

The only solution (that I can come up with at this stage) is to encourage recycling further, and hope in the future technology can help firms to manufacture products from recyclable material. Because, the way business and money operates, it cannot but 'grow.' Growth is rooted in the very fundamentals of business.

That has been the way it has been presented, BUT IT IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY, IN REALITY, OVER TIME, as we are now finding out!

How can you operate a business without having 'growth'?

why must you have growth? If the banks make $3 billion profit a year, why is that not enough? why must they screw everything and everyone to try and make that 3 become 6 become 16 ......

Regardless of the profit margins of banks or any company for that matter, businesses must make a profit from their sales. They must receive more money from their sales than they spend on their expenditures. Otherwise, they'll eventually go bankrupt and there won't be anything to sell. That means drastically reduced supplies of all necessary (and desired) commodities. Which then means death for millions.

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Reply #28 - Jul 25^th, 2012 at 7:25pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 6:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:46pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:14pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:13pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:44pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 4:09pm:

Solutions?

It does mean solutions will have to be found to the predicaments we have put ourselves in, yes!

But, then, that is evolution so.... Grin

Well, it might be trendy and cool to 'rally against the system, man,' but pragmatic solutions are required when problems are identified.

gO FOR IT THEN! Wink

The only solution (that I can come up with at this stage) is to encourage recycling further, and hope in the future technology can help firms to manufacture products from recyclable material. Because, the way business and money operates, it cannot but 'grow.' Growth is rooted in the very fundamentals of business.

That has been the way it has been presented, BUT IT IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY, IN REALITY, OVER TIME, as we are now finding out!

How can you operate a business without having 'growth'?

why must you have growth? If the banks make $3 billion profit a year, why is that not enough? why must they screw everything and everyone to try and make that 3 become 6 become 16 ......

Regardless of the profit margins of banks or any company for that matter, businesses must make a profit from their sales. They must receive more money from their sales than they spend on their expenditures. Otherwise, they'll eventually go bankrupt and there won't be anything to sell. That means drastically reduced supplies of all necessary (and desired) commodities. Which then means death for millions.

Sadly you don't make profits from creaming off the top, downsizing, abolishing sensible tariffs, sending business off shore, outsourcing ect you just wreck businesses, undermine the economy and destroy nations. People and business require stability, security and certainty to prosper that only parties like the Rise Up Australia Party can deliver.... Cool

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10300 Gender:	Re: Perpetual Growth means.... Reply #29 - Jul 25^th, 2012 at 7:35pm I had a look at that Rise Up party and they have some good ideas. I think if they tone down the religious element they'll gain more votes.
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