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Reply #60 - Jun 30^th, 2012 at 1:30pm

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That's right, if a party stands on a platform of opposing the democratic ideology (of human legislation) and seeks to change this system to one of legislation by the laws of the almighty creator alone, then they would not be permitted to attain power in Australia, just as a party seeking to do the opposite would have no means to do so according to the Islamic system.

Do you mean that no-one would vote for them?

There is a very obvious mechanism Abu. If the majority of a population wants to destroy democracy and replace it with something else, then democracy is doomed, provided they can agree on what to replace it with. It is inevitable. Democracy is fragile.

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I did not state it was from Australia.

No, but I have been asking you for examples from Australia for the last half dozen or so posts. And you have been claiming that we do not have these freedoms. I am Australian, and you claim to be Australian, despite having no idea what Australia is like.

So, do you have any examples from Australia? Are we in fact free to criticise the government's foreign policy in a way that Islam would never permit? Or are you suggesting that we are not allowed to criticise the government, but that no-one has ever actually done so, hence the lack of convictions?

Are you confusing the public condemnation of Islam and it's barbaric ways, with some kind of illegality to believe or promote Islam?

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Why are you asking me to produce something, when I've asked you several posts ago now, to produce a case of Muslims who have been convicted here for actually being engaged in any act to commit harm to Australians.

Because the argument is about whether we are free to criticise the government, not whether we are free to blow up busses. BTW, I did give an example.

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Reply #61 - Jun 30^th, 2012 at 2:29pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 12:53pm:

Please also remember there is not one Israeli in Gaza and in 80% of the west bank if the Jordan.

We are only on our own homeland, where we belong. Where I was born and my father was too born.

None of it is your homeland, it's all land you stole from Palestinians since the early 1900's.

Yes it is and understand something, we will never leave.

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Reply #62 - Jun 30^th, 2012 at 8:19pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 12:46pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 12:20pm:

In practical terms, who exactly decides what the almighty wants? Do your Islamic scholars have access to the mind of Allah?

It has been revealed in the form of the message of Islam and explained by the prophets and messengers throughout the ages. The Islamic texts provide a complete system of legislation for mankind to live by.

Soren wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 12:20pm:

ISo instead of elected, accountable men making the laws for the people they govern, you want uneleceted, unaccountable men to make laws. And to Muslim minds that is a forward step.

Elected accountable men? pfft! Men who make laws like legalising prostitution and pornography? they are accountable to their own whims and desires, nothing more nothing less.

You just do not realise how primitive and dark your allegiance is.

Allah signifies a massive block of illumination. Allah-worship led to unprecedented decadence and darkening of the spirit. You look at the peasant faces of the Al Hilalis and Trads and all the other Muslims with the low brow and jutting jaw and fat lips, hair (animalistic hair and hair fetish everywhere) and bugger-all accomplishment and you can actually see how primitive and demonic it all has been. You look at the mass of rage boys rallying for Islam and you can see that you are on the wrong side.

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Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To?
Reply #63 - Jun 30^th, 2012 at 11:36pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 2:29pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 12:53pm:

Please also remember there is not one Israeli in Gaza and in 80% of the west bank if the Jordan.

We are only on our own homeland, where we belong. Where I was born and my father was too born.

None of it is your homeland, it's all land you stole from Palestinians since the early 1900's.

Yes it is and understand something, we will never leave.

Coward pussy.

Grow a pair, you useless bigoted racist scum bag.

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Reply #64 - Jun 30^th, 2012 at 11:46pm

I have pondered why islam is such a dangerous religion whilst housed in some of the worlds most wondrous scenic places. I have as yet formulated no response to my musings. The killings below are nothing more than a disgusting blight on the "unhumanity" that is muslim.

No Jews or other outside forces were involved in the killings listed below.

Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace
"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

2012.06.29 (Kamdesh, Afghanistan) - Four women are among ten innocents slain by a Shahid suicide attack.
2012.06.29 (Balad, Iraq) - Jihadis take down seven patrons with two market bombs.
2012.06.29 (Dabaab, Kenya) - Islamists shoot a driver and kidnap four humanitarian workers.
2012.06.28 (Homs, Syria) - A university professor is shot to death in her home along with five family members, including three children.
2012.06.28 (Quetta, Pakistan) - A Fedayeen attack on a bus carrying Shia pilgrims leaves at least eighteen dead.
2012.06.28 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Islamic bombers successfully kill eight patrons at a marketplace.

* Sources for individual incidents can be provided upon request.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

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Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To?
Reply #65 - Jul 1^st, 2012 at 10:02am

Adamant wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 11:46pm:

2012.06.29 (Kamdesh, Afghanistan) - Four women are among ten innocents slain by a Shahid suicide attack.
2012.06.29 (Balad, Iraq) - Jihadis take down seven patrons with two market bombs.
2012.06.29 (Dabaab, Kenya) - Islamists shoot a driver and kidnap four humanitarian workers.
2012.06.28 (Homs, Syria) - A university professor is shot to death in her home along with five family members, including three children.
2012.06.28 (Quetta, Pakistan) - A Fedayeen attack on a bus carrying Shia pilgrims leaves at least eighteen dead.
2012.06.28 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Islamic bombers successfully kill eight patrons at a marketplace.

Just a quick look at two of these incidents IN CONTEXT might cause the individual endowed with a little intellect to wonder what the point of such aggregation of news stories is.

Kenya is currently involved in a brutal invasion and occupation of Somalia that has resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians, women, children, the works.

The Syrian regime has just spent the past year brutally crushing their own people, torturing children and so on.

Why is none of this mentioned as context to these isolated incidents? What kind of dishonest unprincipled swine would aggregate news like this, leaving out completely the facts of the situation on the ground in those countries?

Adamant wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 11:46pm:

* Sources for individual incidents can be provided upon request.

Yeh I'm sure they can, can they provide some context though?

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To? Reply #66 - Jul 1^st, 2012 at 10:05am In Somalia - a 13 year old girl was stoned to death by an Islamic court order. Her crime was to be raped by a gang of men and to report it. Because she could not provide 5 male witnesses the court accused her of adultery and had her stoned to death. This is Muslims for you. [mod: watch your mouth חזיר]
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Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To?
Reply #67 - Jul 1^st, 2012 at 11:13am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 10:05am:

In Somalia - a 13 year old girl was stoned to death by an Islamic court order.

Her crime was to be raped by a gang of men and to report it.

Because she could not provide 5 male witnesses the court accused her of adultery and had her stoned to death.

This is Muslims for you.
Animals.

Firstly there's no such thing as 5 male witnesses in Islam. You made this up, and it's obvious.

Next I'd like you to show me the evidence she was raped and secondly that she was 13. Both of these "details" are false.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To? Reply #68 - Jul 1^st, 2012 at 11:42am Her father stated she was 13 to Amnesty. You admit anyway the Islamics stoned to death a young girl? Like I said you are animals and we treat you as such.0
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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To? Reply #69 - Jul 1^st, 2012 at 11:44am Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 11:42am: Her father stated she was 13 to Amnesty. You admit anyway the Islamics stoned to death a young girl? Like I said you are animals and we treat you as such.0 Would it be ok if they dropped a bomb on her?
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Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To?
Reply #70 - Jul 1^st, 2012 at 12:13pm

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You look at the peasant faces of the Al Hilalis and Trads and all the other Muslims with the low brow and jutting jaw and fat lips, hair (animalistic hair and hair fetish everywhere)

You are threatened by their ability to actually grow a beard aren't you, Soren? Your horror at seeing men with body hair on the beach was indicative of your intimidation.

We have had this discussion before, you effeminate pansy.

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Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To?
Reply #71 - Jul 1^st, 2012 at 12:19pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 12:13pm:

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You look at the peasant faces of the Al Hilalis and Trads and all the other Muslims with the low brow and jutting jaw and fat lips, hair (animalistic hair and hair fetish everywhere)

You are threatened by their ability to actually grow a beard aren't you, Soren? Your horror at seeing men with body hair on the beach was indicative of your intimidation.

We have had this discussion before, you effeminate pansy.

Are you offended they stoned to death a young girl in front of a crowd authorized and carried out by the Islamic court?

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Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To?
Reply #72 - Jul 1^st, 2012 at 12:44pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 11:42am:

Her father stated she was 13 to Amnesty.

Other reports state she was 23. I noticed you failed to provide any evidence she was raped.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 11:42am:

You admit anyway the Islamics stoned to death a young girl?

I have nothing to admit, as I have no involvement in the case whatsoever. This question though is indicative of your feeble attempt to attribute things to people in the course of your argument.

A woman was apparently executed for committing adultery, that's about all I know about the case. As usual Western media tried to lower her age, and claim she was raped etc. as they do in every such case like this.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 11:42am:

Like I said you are animals and we treat you as such.0

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47446 At my desk.	Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To? Reply #73 - Jul 1^st, 2012 at 12:47pm Quote: I noticed you failed to provide any evidence she was raped. Abu, did you read what Avram said? It was the lack of evidence that lead to her being stoned to death. If she couldn't come up with the evidence when her life was on the line, why would Avram be able to?
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falah Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3162	Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To? Reply #74 - Jul 1^st, 2012 at 1:04pm The Shabab government said that she was a 23 year-old woman who had confessed to committing adultery. Why is Amnesty's baseless claims suddenly reliable in this case, but totally unreliable when it comes to Israel. Is Amnesty credible? Is Amnesty only credible when they invent up stories about Muslims?
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