Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 14
th, 2012 at 12:26pm:
Quantum wrote on Jun 14
th, 2012 at 9:09am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 14
th, 2012 at 8:52am:
Quantum wrote on Jun 14
th, 2012 at 8:49am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 14
th, 2012 at 8:41am:
Quantum wrote on Jun 14
th, 2012 at 8:24am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 14
th, 2012 at 6:14am:
Quote:You refuse to acknowledge that pedo's will start using the same excuses of being born that way; other cultures at times have accepted it; stop discriminating against people who are different . What will be your response to them?
Thats because pedos are a different thing to a gay person. A pedo causes harm to a child. This will never be accepted.
Quote:The same excuses as "being born that way" and "accepting people who are different."
your lie not mine. I never said they were "born that way"
Thing is - its not the same. Gays are not pedos. Gays are just ppl with a different sexual orientation to you (if thats true - cant assume anything here can we). However okay - present your case that pedos are "born that way". dont forget to present your case for "accepting them".
Quote:I truly hope you came off a boat. I would hate to think that Australian education is this bad.
Education? you were TAUGHT to use faulty logic like that?
Quote:It is distinctly possible that his education is pre-war (WW2). his brthdate certainly is.
lol. thats a bit of an exaggeration isnt it? So you are ageist too. You going to voluntarily euthanise when you reach a certain age?
MOTR said:
Quote:It's the implied premise I find offensive.
Yes and they arent making the actual argument either.
SOB
Stop mixing up different people's quotes, and stop quoting out of context. It's amazing how you can do the very thing you accuse others of and not see it.
While your learning those basic rules of discussion, try to also keep up with the difference between someone making a claim themselves, in contrast to pointing out the argument that can logically be made by a particular group. That distinction completely changes the meaning of what has been said.
lololol dont like it done back to you? Wasnt really out of context though was it. you are saying that paedophiles and homosexuals are the same argument right? Well lets hear it. Lets hear the argument for paedophiles to be married.
As for MOTR i put his name next to his quote and ill quote who i please in my post. Its referenced properly.
Meanwhile did you provide a valid argument? No? Just attempted insults? Try again. Provide your argument for paedophiles being equal and accepted in society.
SOB
Firstly, you mixed up quotes between longweekend and myself.
Secondly, anyone but yourself can see that I have not been misquoting you. The statements, quotes and the timeline in which they happened are preserved in this thread to be checked. If I missed quoted you, prove it.
Thirdly (and this is where it all went downhill) you keep changing the discussion between marriage and scocial acceptance. These are two different things. Even in this very post you have mixed the two up.
No you have mixed them up. We were talking about marriage. If you changed the subject to something else i missed it. You said the argument is the same. (Works for either topic anyway) so lets see the argument.
SOB
You changed it right here,
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13
th, 2012 at 6:36pm:
Thats pretty rich from ppl that are suggesting that paedophilia is socially acceptable.
SOB
No one had suggested that it was. That was a misrepresentation by you.
Once you did this, it was then explained to you the way it may be argued by pedo's in the future (it was hypothetical), by making the claim that they were
born that way and therefore should not be persecuted.
No one was saying that they are accepted socially today. You made the accusation that people were saying that. In doing so you changed the discussion from marriage to social acceptance which are two different things.
For example; homosexuals are socially accepted today, but gay marriage is not permitted. So any claim that social acceptance and marriage are the same thing is clearly wrong. Likewise, if there comes a day that pedophiles are socially accepted (and again, no one is claiming that they currently are), that does not mean they will be permitted to marry children.
I noticed that you didn't admit to mixing my quotes with longweekend after claiming that you had not mixed quotes. Rightio i used the wrong reference and of course instead of answering the question you had to argue about semantics.
So instead of you just admitting you were wrong and being done with it, and that all the arguing for the last page about me
misrepresenting,
misquoting, and being a
lier we're false accusations by yourself, apparently the real problem was me being pedantic about "semantics".
Quote:That they were "born that way" isnt going to get them accepted in society. It also isnt going to get them allowed to marry.
How do you know that? Being born that way was one of the main points of acceptance for homosexuality. You have said it countless times yourself on this thread that being gay is "normal". It can't be normal is it is brain damage, or a disease, or childhood drama, or a depraved choice. Homosexuals being what they are by birth has been the biggest shift in people's acceptance of it over the last 20 years.
What you just said above is the very thing people said of gays 30 years ago. If perceptions can change for gays in 30 years, do not be surprised in decades to come that people will starts saying; "pedophiles were born that way. They can't help being attracted to children. It is wrong to demonize someone for their sexual desires. Stop judging people because they are different to you".
And for the last time; what we class as a pedo today is based on our law and culture. Many other cultures through the history of the world have permitted adults and children to marry; relationships that we would class as pedophilia by us. Stop pretending that our definition of what a pedophile is can not be changed in time. You have no way of knowing that in 50 years from now a 30 year old won't be able to marry a 13 year old. Just because we would class that relationship as pedophilia today does not mean it won't be considered normal in the future. That's the main point.
Quote:Gays on the other hand are harmless and adults with a different (supposedly) sexual orientation to you. They harm nobody and will be allowed to marry. Despite all this crap from the fairytale believers it will eventually come to pass that all ppl are equal in the eyes of the government and marriage.
SOB
Does that include those who are into pedophillia, incest, zoophilia, etc? (dont answer. I know You will say no. Perhaps if you were more precise about what you wanted to say, you wouldn't keep assuming that people are misquoting and misrepresenting you.)
I notice your still thinking that the issue with gay marriage is because of Christians (or as you so tolerantly say,
fairytail believers). You do know that there are a lot of atheist out there against gay marriage as well. Besides our PM, you will probably find a lot of hardend tradesmen, miners, criminals, and other blokes etc, who consider Christianity for wimps, but find gays even worse. Stop pretending that this is a religious issue. Not everyone is pro gay.