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Reply #195 - Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:08pm
 
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Gist wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:02pm:
... wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 1:56pm:
No.

Cos you know what would "make it work"? 

Leaving it the hell alone.


Hmm... well as I recall John Howard was the one who fecked with it. So let's leave it the hell alone the way it always was and undo that idiot Howard's change.



No, he safeguarded it. 


Is "safeguard" the same as suddenly realising your argument is full of sh!t?  Cheesy
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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #196 - Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:08pm
 
... wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:06pm:
Gist wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:02pm:
... wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 1:56pm:
No.

Cos you know what would "make it work"? 

Leaving it the hell alone.


Hmm... well as I recall John Howard was the one who fecked with it. So let's leave it the hell alone the way it always was and undo that idiot Howard's change.



No, he safeguarded it. 


From what? an attack from the rear?  Kiss
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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #197 - Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:09pm
 
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Reply #198 - Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:10pm
 
PoliticalReality wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:08pm:
Gist wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:05pm:
Soren wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:04pm:
Why not call any kind of cohabitation 'marriage'? Or not even co-habitation, as married couples can live in separate households.

Why not just go the way as we seem to be going with everything else and say that if you feel that you are marriaed, then you are married.
It doesn't matter if you are or aren't 'married' if you self-identify as 'married', then that's it, you are married. ANd if then anyone says otherwise, they are being hurtful.

Why not? Same 'logic'.


Isn't that what is known as "de-facto marriage"?


No it's a defacto relationship



Not when I was growing up in the sixties, especially if you were talking to the couple across the road!  Wink
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Reply #199 - Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:18pm
 
PoliticalReality wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:07pm:
As you clearly do not understand what marriage is perhaps you should stay out of the debate?

Ask yourself the question "Why do people get married?"

Now is there anything about same sex relationships that should stop them from being able to ask themselves the same question?



Two guys getting 'married' is a perversion of the idea of marriage.
Marriage is a social institution for the purpooses of the society first, the married couple second (that is why it is a legal, not merely personal matter). It is a social institution. That is why the state is a stakeholder. For the churches it is also a sacrament, that is, it is recognbised by religious and secular tradition as a social institution. There is no such thing for friendship, or even siblinghood. There is no Friendship Act or Sibling Act but there is Marraige Act.
SO let's take that as read - it's not just about the two people.

So why do people get married? People get married because they want to be recognised as a social unit that is bridging the generations and performs all the other social and sacred acts that marraige is recognised for. People do not get married to have sex or kids or any of the private things that they can do equally without being married.

It is no accidnt that marriage is a ceremony. Like all ceremonies, it is a transformation. It trascends the two persons getting married and makes them into something that they cannot be without that ceremony.

It is a commitment to the other person as well as the society that sanctions the marriage. ANd that society is about preserving and improving what it has inherited and will transmit to the future.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #200 - Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:22pm
 
Soren wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:18pm:
PoliticalReality wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:07pm:
As you clearly do not understand what marriage is perhaps you should stay out of the debate?

Ask yourself the question "Why do people get married?"

Now is there anything about same sex relationships that should stop them from being able to ask themselves the same question?



Two guys getting 'married' is a perversion of the idea of marriage.
Marriage is a social institution for the purpooses of the society first, the married couple second (that is why it is a legal, not merely personal matter). It is a social institution. That is why the state is a stakeholder. For the churches it is also a sacrament, that is, it is recognbised by religious and secular tradition as a social institution. There is no such thing for friendship, or even siblinghood. There is no Friendship Act or Sibling Act but there is Marraige Act.
SO let's take that as read - it's not just about the two people.

So why do people get married? People get married because they want to be recognised as a social unit that is bridging the generations and performs all the other social and sacred acts that marraige is recognised for. People do not get married to have sex or kids or any of the private things that they can do equally without being married.

It is no accidnt that marriage is a ceremony. Like all ceremonies, it is a transformation. It trascends the two persons getting married and makes them into something that they cannot be without that ceremony.

It is a commitment to the other person as well as the society that sanctions the marriage. ANd that society is about preserving and improving what it has inherited and will transmit to the future.



Do you really care?
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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #201 - Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:23pm
 
Soren wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:18pm:
PoliticalReality wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:07pm:
As you clearly do not understand what marriage is perhaps you should stay out of the debate?

Ask yourself the question "Why do people get married?"

Now is there anything about same sex relationships that should stop them from being able to ask themselves the same question?



Two guys getting 'married' is a perversion of the idea of marriage.
Marriage is a social institution for the purpooses of the society first, the married couple second (that is why it is a legal, not merely personal matter). It is a social institution. That is why the state is a stakeholder. For the churches it is also a sacrament, that is, it is recognbised by religious and secular tradition as a social institution. There is no such thing for friendship, or even siblinghood. There is no Friendship Act or Sibling Act but there is Marraige Act.
SO let's take that as read - it's not just about the two people.

So why do people get married? People get married because they want to be recognised as a social unit that is bridging the generations and performs all the other social and sacred acts that marraige is recognised for. People do not get married to have sex or kids or any of the private things that they can do equally without being married.

It is no accidnt that marriage is a ceremony. Like all ceremonies, it is a transformation. It trascends the two persons getting married and makes them into something that they cannot be without that ceremony.

It is a commitment to the other person as well as the society that sanctions the marriage. ANd that society is about preserving and improving what it has inherited and will transmit to the future.



I pity your husband if that is the reason you got married

marriage is an institution that is legislated so ppl that are married can have certain rights. The religious ceremony is separate and not binding.

Ppl get married in order to make a commitment to someone they love. Well most do. Obviously not you.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #202 - Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:26pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:22pm:
Soren wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:18pm:
PoliticalReality wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:07pm:
As you clearly do not understand what marriage is perhaps you should stay out of the debate?

Ask yourself the question "Why do people get married?"

Now is there anything about same sex relationships that should stop them from being able to ask themselves the same question?



Two guys getting 'married' is a perversion of the idea of marriage.
Marriage is a social institution for the purpooses of the society first, the married couple second (that is why it is a legal, not merely personal matter). It is a social institution. That is why the state is a stakeholder. For the churches it is also a sacrament, that is, it is recognbised by religious and secular tradition as a social institution. There is no such thing for friendship, or even siblinghood. There is no Friendship Act or Sibling Act but there is Marraige Act.
SO let's take that as read - it's not just about the two people.

So why do people get married? People get married because they want to be recognised as a social unit that is bridging the generations and performs all the other social and sacred acts that marraige is recognised for. People do not get married to have sex or kids or any of the private things that they can do equally without being married.

It is no accidnt that marriage is a ceremony. Like all ceremonies, it is a transformation. It trascends the two persons getting married and makes them into something that they cannot be without that ceremony.

It is a commitment to the other person as well as the society that sanctions the marriage. ANd that society is about preserving and improving what it has inherited and will transmit to the future.



Do you really care?



ACtually, I have children so I do care about the shape of things to come.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #203 - Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:32pm
 
Soren wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:26pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:22pm:
Soren wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:18pm:
PoliticalReality wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:07pm:
As you clearly do not understand what marriage is perhaps you should stay out of the debate?

Ask yourself the question "Why do people get married?"

Now is there anything about same sex relationships that should stop them from being able to ask themselves the same question?



Two guys getting 'married' is a perversion of the idea of marriage.
Marriage is a social institution for the purpooses of the society first, the married couple second (that is why it is a legal, not merely personal matter). It is a social institution. That is why the state is a stakeholder. For the churches it is also a sacrament, that is, it is recognbised by religious and secular tradition as a social institution. There is no such thing for friendship, or even siblinghood. There is no Friendship Act or Sibling Act but there is Marraige Act.
SO let's take that as read - it's not just about the two people.

So why do people get married? People get married because they want to be recognised as a social unit that is bridging the generations and performs all the other social and sacred acts that marraige is recognised for. People do not get married to have sex or kids or any of the private things that they can do equally without being married.

It is no accidnt that marriage is a ceremony. Like all ceremonies, it is a transformation. It trascends the two persons getting married and makes them into something that they cannot be without that ceremony.

It is a commitment to the other person as well as the society that sanctions the marriage. ANd that society is about preserving and improving what it has inherited and will transmit to the future.



Do you really care?



ACtually, I have children so I do care about the shape of things to come.



Ok so were you an outspoken advocate against women in the workforce?

Many many social & behavioral problems in modern children never occurred as little as 2 to 3 decades ago when the vast bulk of women still had traditional roles.Then they started to feel the need to be "Empowered" by working 40+ hours p/week & chucking little Joanne/Johnny into long day care a month or less after birth.
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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #204 - Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:34pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:23pm:
Soren wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:18pm:
PoliticalReality wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:07pm:
As you clearly do not understand what marriage is perhaps you should stay out of the debate?

Ask yourself the question "Why do people get married?"

Now is there anything about same sex relationships that should stop them from being able to ask themselves the same question?



Two guys getting 'married' is a perversion of the idea of marriage.
Marriage is a social institution for the purpooses of the society first, the married couple second (that is why it is a legal, not merely personal matter). It is a social institution. That is why the state is a stakeholder. For the churches it is also a sacrament, that is, it is recognbised by religious and secular tradition as a social institution. There is no such thing for friendship, or even siblinghood. There is no Friendship Act or Sibling Act but there is Marraige Act.
SO let's take that as read - it's not just about the two people.

So why do people get married? People get married because they want to be recognised as a social unit that is bridging the generations and performs all the other social and sacred acts that marraige is recognised for. People do not get married to have sex or kids or any of the private things that they can do equally without being married.

It is no accidnt that marriage is a ceremony. Like all ceremonies, it is a transformation. It trascends the two persons getting married and makes them into something that they cannot be without that ceremony.

It is a commitment to the other person as well as the society that sanctions the marriage. ANd that society is about preserving and improving what it has inherited and will transmit to the future.



I pity your husband if that is the reason you got married

marriage is an institution that is legislated so ppl that are married can have certain rights. The religious ceremony is separate and not binding.

Ppl get married in order to make a commitment to someone they love. Well most do. Obviously not you.

SOB



And where do they make that commitment, you increadibly thick person? In a ceremony. You can't get married with just the two persons in the room, saying, 'I marry you' and 'so do I'. You have to do it in a certain ceremonial way in front of others. Why? Because it is more than just the two peole getting married.

Two people just agreeing to act as if they were married is not marriage. This means that it is not just a matter of private agreement or commitment. It requires social approval through a defined ceremony. That's what the debate is about, you brainless drone, the socially sanctioned bit, not about how they feel about each other.




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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #205 - Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:38pm
 
Soren wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:34pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:23pm:
Soren wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:18pm:
PoliticalReality wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:07pm:
As you clearly do not understand what marriage is perhaps you should stay out of the debate?

Ask yourself the question "Why do people get married?"

Now is there anything about same sex relationships that should stop them from being able to ask themselves the same question?



Two guys getting 'married' is a perversion of the idea of marriage.
Marriage is a social institution for the purpooses of the society first, the married couple second (that is why it is a legal, not merely personal matter). It is a social institution. That is why the state is a stakeholder. For the churches it is also a sacrament, that is, it is recognbised by religious and secular tradition as a social institution. There is no such thing for friendship, or even siblinghood. There is no Friendship Act or Sibling Act but there is Marraige Act.
SO let's take that as read - it's not just about the two people.

So why do people get married? People get married because they want to be recognised as a social unit that is bridging the generations and performs all the other social and sacred acts that marraige is recognised for. People do not get married to have sex or kids or any of the private things that they can do equally without being married.

It is no accidnt that marriage is a ceremony. Like all ceremonies, it is a transformation. It trascends the two persons getting married and makes them into something that they cannot be without that ceremony.

It is a commitment to the other person as well as the society that sanctions the marriage. ANd that society is about preserving and improving what it has inherited and will transmit to the future.



I pity your husband if that is the reason you got married

marriage is an institution that is legislated so ppl that are married can have certain rights. The religious ceremony is separate and not binding.

Ppl get married in order to make a commitment to someone they love. Well most do. Obviously not you.

SOB



And where do they make that commitment, you increadibly thick person? In a ceremony. You can't get married with just the two persons in the room, saying, 'I marry you' and 'so do I'. You have to do it in a certain ceremonial way in front of others. Why? Because it is more than just the two peole getting married.

Two people just agreeing to act as if they were married is not marriage. This means that it is not just a matter of private agreement or commitment. It requires social approval through a defined ceremony. That's what the debate is about, you brainless drone, the socially sanctioned bit, not about how they feel about each other.



lol. Ask any NORMAL person why they got married.

I was talking about the religious ceremony. Not binding. Gays dont need the religious ceremony. Just the official secular one. Which i might add consisted of 2 witnesses and a justice of the peace and a piece of paper (oh and $105). In fact it wasnt even a ceremony really it was a witnessing of documents. WE made some predefined promise and thats it.

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Reply #206 - Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:42pm
 
I think gays want to get married because it is a link to being normal.

I mean if you had to take it in the dot, you’d want something out of it.

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Reply #207 - Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:43pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:32pm:
Soren wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:26pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:22pm:
Soren wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:18pm:
PoliticalReality wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:07pm:
As you clearly do not understand what marriage is perhaps you should stay out of the debate?

Ask yourself the question "Why do people get married?"

Now is there anything about same sex relationships that should stop them from being able to ask themselves the same question?



Two guys getting 'married' is a perversion of the idea of marriage.
Marriage is a social institution for the purpooses of the society first, the married couple second (that is why it is a legal, not merely personal matter). It is a social institution. That is why the state is a stakeholder. For the churches it is also a sacrament, that is, it is recognbised by religious and secular tradition as a social institution. There is no such thing for friendship, or even siblinghood. There is no Friendship Act or Sibling Act but there is Marraige Act.
SO let's take that as read - it's not just about the two people.

So why do people get married? People get married because they want to be recognised as a social unit that is bridging the generations and performs all the other social and sacred acts that marraige is recognised for. People do not get married to have sex or kids or any of the private things that they can do equally without being married.

It is no accidnt that marriage is a ceremony. Like all ceremonies, it is a transformation. It trascends the two persons getting married and makes them into something that they cannot be without that ceremony.

It is a commitment to the other person as well as the society that sanctions the marriage. ANd that society is about preserving and improving what it has inherited and will transmit to the future.



Do you really care?



ACtually, I have children so I do care about the shape of things to come.



Ok so were you an outspoken advocate against women in the workforce?

Many many social & behavioral problems in modern children never occurred as little as 2 to 3 decades ago when the vast bulk of women still had traditional roles.Then they started to feel the need to be "Empowered" by working 40+ hours p/week & chucking little Joanne/Johnny into long day care a month or less after birth.



I am against what you describe. I wouldn't and didn't have my kids in childcare until they were ready for the 2-3 half-days at kindy, at age 3. None of them went to kindy full time. What's the point of bringing them into your life if you are going to park them in long daycare? I think sending babies into long daycare is terrible.

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Reply #208 - Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:43pm
 
Actually if you are religious (and you certainly seem to be) you would have had to do the paper signing as well as the religious ceremony. You know it isnt really a ceremony. Its like buying  a house and you need witnesses for that too.

Does your husband know the real reason you married him? How about your kids?

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Reply #209 - Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:45pm
 
FriYAY wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 3:42pm:
I think gays want to get married because it is a link to being normal.



I agree, that's the point of the same sex marriage push, to normalise homosexuality.

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