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Reply #45 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 5:54pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 5:49pm:
Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 4:34pm:
Maqqa wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 4:23pm:
Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 2:53pm:
cods wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 2:26pm:
showing up here without papers isnt illegal... funny that..



So, why do you think these people are not charged with an offence (relating to their lack of documentation)?

Quite simply, because they can't be.  They are protected under Article 31 of the 1951 UN Convention.

States "shall not impose penalties".




I quoted from your very own source

They are classified as unlawful non-citizen under the Migration Act

Under this Act the penalty is deportation



They are not deported if they are claiming asylum.

And, they are not charged with any offence.

States "shall not impose penalties".


Claiming refugee status is one way of getting a VISA

If the claims cannot be verified then no VISA is issued and the illegal will be deported


So they are legal until they are found to be otherwise..just like everyone here except for you and a few neo cons have been claiming all along.
Its good to see you are finally coming to the party
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Reply #46 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 5:59pm
 
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Reply #47 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 6:42pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 5:54pm:
So they are legal until they are found to be otherwise..just like everyone here except for you and a few neo cons have been claiming all along.



Exactly.  At last, we can all agree on something.




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Reply #48 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 7:33pm
 
Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 6:42pm:
adelcrow wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 5:54pm:
So they are legal until they are found to be otherwise..just like everyone here except for you and a few neo cons have been claiming all along.



Exactly.  At last, we can all agree on something.






Well I'm glad that's resolved. It's only taken a few zillion posts to get it through to one of them. Wonder how long before the rest catch on?  Undecided
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Reply #49 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 8:31pm
 
These alleged refugees and country shoppers should be punted as they are illegal entrants to our country according to the UN convention. And why are Sri Lankans fleeing Sri Lanka? I thought the Sri Lankans put down the recent war based on RACE.

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Article 31
refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee

1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.

2. The Contracting States shall not apply to the movements of such refugees restrictions other than those which are necessary and such restrictions
shall only be applied until their status in the country is regularized or they obtain admission into another country. The Contracting States shall allow such refugees a reasonable period and all the necessary facilities to obtain admission into another country.

http://www.unhcr.org/3b66c2aa10.html


If you live at Katoomba and your neighbour is threatening you do you go to the Katoomba police or do you report the threats to the Ballina police?

If you are fleeing oppression in Afghanistan do you go to Iran, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, or Australia? If you go to Pakistan and leave that country you are no longer a refugee.
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Reply #50 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 8:32pm
 
These alleged refugees and country shoppers should be punted as they are illegal entrants to our country according to the UN convention. And why are Sri Lankans fleeing Sri Lanka? I thought the Sri Lankans put down the recent war based on RACE.

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Article 31
refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee

1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.

2. The Contracting States shall not apply to the movements of such refugees restrictions other than those which are necessary and such restrictions
shall only be applied until their status in the country is regularized or they obtain admission into another country. The Contracting States shall allow such refugees a reasonable period and all the necessary facilities to obtain admission into another country.

http://www.unhcr.org/3b66c2aa10.html


If you live at Katoomba and your neighbour is threatening you do you go to the Katoomba police or do you report the threats to the Ballina police?

If you are fleeing oppression in Afghanistan do you go to Iran, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, or Australia? If you go to Pakistan and leave that country you are no longer a refugee.
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The ALP, the progressive party, the party of ideas, the workers' friend, is the only Australian political party to roast four young Australians in roof cavities. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!
 
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Reply #51 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 9:01pm
 
salad in wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 8:31pm:
These alleged refugees and country shoppers should be punted as they are illegal entrants to our country according to the UN convention. And why are Sri Lankans fleeing Sri Lanka? I thought the Sri Lankans put down the recent war based on RACE.

Quote:
Article 31
refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee

1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.

2. The Contracting States shall not apply to the movements of such refugees restrictions other than those which are necessary and such restrictions
shall only be applied until their status in the country is regularized or they obtain admission into another country. The Contracting States shall allow such refugees a reasonable period and all the necessary facilities to obtain admission into another country.

http://www.unhcr.org/3b66c2aa10.html


If you live at Katoomba and your neighbour is threatening you do you go to the Katoomba police or do you report the threats to the Ballina police?

If you are fleeing oppression in Afghanistan do you go to Iran, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, or Australia? If you go to Pakistan and leave that country you are no longer a refugee.


You would flee to Pakistan where you would be further discriminated against and where there is no future for you or your family?..I doubt that very much.
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Reply #52 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 9:16pm
 
I didn't agree with a lot of what Howard imposed, but Nauru was one of his best works. Rudd abandoning it was arrogance at its best, or worst, as the case may be.

This is not an isolated occurrence. There would be literally thousands like this grub.
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Reply #53 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 9:31pm
 
I have a question on this.

If a boat with 50 people gets picked up in Australian waters and the occupants sent to Christmas Island for processing, etc, does that mean that 50 people who are in refugee camps somewhere else in the world get pushed back in the line?

Not trying to put an argument forward or anything here - just trying to understand the circumstances of this better.
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Reply #54 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 10:22pm
 
Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 9:31pm:
I have a question on this.

If a boat with 50 people gets picked up in Australian waters and the occupants sent to Christmas Island for processing, etc, does that mean that 50 people who are in refugee camps somewhere else in the world get pushed back in the line?

Not trying to put an argument forward or anything here - just trying to understand the circumstances of this better.


Yes
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Reply #55 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 10:24pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 10:22pm:
Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 9:31pm:
I have a question on this.

If a boat with 50 people gets picked up in Australian waters and the occupants sent to Christmas Island for processing, etc, does that mean that 50 people who are in refugee camps somewhere else in the world get pushed back in the line?

Not trying to put an argument forward or anything here - just trying to understand the circumstances of this better.


Yes


what line?
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Reply #56 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 10:25pm
 
Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 6:42pm:
adelcrow wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 5:54pm:
So they are legal until they are found to be otherwise..just like everyone here except for you and a few neo cons have been claiming all along.



Exactly.  At last, we can all agree on something.







What are they under the Migration Act?

They are unlawful non-citizen

What's the definition of unlawful?

ILLEGAL!!!!

Suck it up princess
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Reply #57 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 10:30pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 10:24pm:
Maqqa wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 10:22pm:
Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 9:31pm:
I have a question on this.

If a boat with 50 people gets picked up in Australian waters and the occupants sent to Christmas Island for processing, etc, does that mean that 50 people who are in refugee camps somewhere else in the world get pushed back in the line?

Not trying to put an argument forward or anything here - just trying to understand the circumstances of this better.


Yes


what line?



When more than one person seeks services and the demand exceeds the supply of service then a line is formed. A line is a sequential gathering of people waiting for products and/or services.

Since there are more than one person seeking refugee assessment service - then a line exists.

You are welcome adel
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Reply #58 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 10:31pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 10:30pm:
adelcrow wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 10:24pm:
Maqqa wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 10:22pm:
Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 9:31pm:
I have a question on this.

If a boat with 50 people gets picked up in Australian waters and the occupants sent to Christmas Island for processing, etc, does that mean that 50 people who are in refugee camps somewhere else in the world get pushed back in the line?

Not trying to put an argument forward or anything here - just trying to understand the circumstances of this better.


Yes


what line?



When more than one person seeks services and the demand exceeds the supply of service then a line is formed. A line is a sequential gathering of people waiting for products and/or services.

Since there are more than one person seeking refugee assessment service - then a line exists.

You are welcome adel


where is this line?
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Reply #59 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 10:34pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 10:31pm:
Maqqa wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 10:30pm:
adelcrow wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 10:24pm:
Maqqa wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 10:22pm:
Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 9:31pm:
I have a question on this.

If a boat with 50 people gets picked up in Australian waters and the occupants sent to Christmas Island for processing, etc, does that mean that 50 people who are in refugee camps somewhere else in the world get pushed back in the line?

Not trying to put an argument forward or anything here - just trying to understand the circumstances of this better.


Yes


what line?



When more than one person seeks services and the demand exceeds the supply of service then a line is formed. A line is a sequential gathering of people waiting for products and/or services.

Since there are more than one person seeking refugee assessment service - then a line exists.

You are welcome adel


where is this line?



At every Australian immigration assessment and processing point all over the world
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