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Reply #15 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:17am
 
adelcrow wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:11am:
wow..one crook..that must mean all refugees are crooks just as Ivan Milat makes all Liberal supporters brutal serial killers  Grin



A man with a Che alter ego has absolutely no sense of proportion, naturally. The tragedy as well as the comedy about abject skuppies like you is that you have simply no idea just how amazingly stupid you are.
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Reply #16 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:18am
 
Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:17am:
Maqqa wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 7:14am:
Lefties continue to advocate that these illegals are genuine refugee.


1. They aren't "illegals": it's perfectly legal to arrive in Australia by boat, with no passport or visa, and claim asylum.

2. The majority are granted genuine refugee status (not all, but certainly the majority).

3. If they're not genuine refugees, send them home.  Simple.


You don't get it. These fvckers were granted 'genuine' refugee status, numpty.
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Reply #17 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:21am
 
Soren wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:17am:
adelcrow wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:11am:
wow..one crook..that must mean all refugees are crooks just as Ivan Milat makes all Liberal supporters brutal serial killers  Grin



A man with a Che alter ego has absolutely no sense of proportion, naturally. The tragedy as well as the comedy about abject skuppies like you is that you have simply no idea just how amazingly stupid you are.



So, you have evidence that there's more than "one crook"?

How many are we looking at then?  As a percentage?  1%, 20%, 50%, 80%?

There's probably more than one, sure.  But how many exactly?

What percentage is it and where are you getting the figures from?
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Reply #18 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:24am
 
Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:21am:
Soren wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:17am:
adelcrow wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:11am:
wow..one crook..that must mean all refugees are crooks just as Ivan Milat makes all Liberal supporters brutal serial killers  Grin



A man with a Che alter ego has absolutely no sense of proportion, naturally. The tragedy as well as the comedy about abject skuppies like you is that you have simply no idea just how amazingly stupid you are.



So, you have evidence that there's more than "one crook"?

How many are we looking at then?  As a percentage?  1%, 20%, 50%, 80%?

There's probably more than one, sure.  But how many exactly?

What percentage is it and where are you getting the figures from?


We know all Aussie tourists are drug smugglers because of the Bali 5 and Corby  Grin
We know all Aussies are terrorists because of David Hicks  Grin
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Reply #19 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:26am
 
Soren wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:18am:
Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:17am:
Maqqa wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 7:14am:
Lefties continue to advocate that these illegals are genuine refugee.


1. They aren't "illegals": it's perfectly legal to arrive in Australia by boat, with no passport or visa, and claim asylum.

2. The majority are granted genuine refugee status (not all, but certainly the majority).

3. If they're not genuine refugees, send them home.  Simple.


You don't get it. These fvckers were granted 'genuine' refugee status, numpty.



No, you don't get it, divvy.

If they're granted genuine refugee status, they're legal   Roll Eyes

You can call them "illegals" as much as you like, however, you are 100% wrong (as usual).  There's nothing illegal about being granted genuine refugee status by the Government.   Wink
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Reply #20 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:47am
 
Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:21am:
Soren wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:17am:
adelcrow wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:11am:
wow..one crook..that must mean all refugees are crooks just as Ivan Milat makes all Liberal supporters brutal serial killers  Grin



A man with a Che alter ego has absolutely no sense of proportion, naturally. The tragedy as well as the comedy about abject skuppies like you is that you have simply no idea just how amazingly stupid you are.



So, you have evidence that there's more than "one crook"?

How many are we looking at then?  As a percentage?  1%, 20%, 50%, 80%?

There's probably more than one, sure.  But how many exactly?

What percentage is it and where are you getting the figures from?




Well, we have evidence that being granted refugee status is no guarantee of being 'genuine refugees' - in other words, the process of granting refugee status to undocumented foreigners is EVIDENTLY flawed.


How flawed? Let's find out! Apparently DIAC has known for years that it has been a flawed processes. What happened? Nothing. People like you kept parroting that if the are given refugee status then they are genuine refugees.

This is but one example of how an unthinking approach will eventually come back and bite you. What percentage of them are crooks doesn't matter. What matters is that the process is not trusted. And you can't have an orderly immigration or refugee process if the way it is done is not trusted.

But I guess this remains incomprehensible to you, Che and the usual unthinking parrots.  SO carry on, altogether now 'oh. it's only one guy, but the rest are all genuine refugees', while the rest of us, the sensible demographic, laugh at you.






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Reply #21 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:47am
 
Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:17am:
Maqqa wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 7:14am:
Lefties continue to advocate that these illegals are genuine refugee.


1. They aren't "illegals": it's perfectly legal to arrive in Australia by boat, with no passport or visa, and claim asylum.

2. The majority are granted genuine refugee status (not all, but certainly the majority).

3. If they're not genuine refugees, send them home.  Simple.




I have never said the "action" of claim asylum was illegal. This is becoming tedious with the rhetoric from the left!!!

Claiming asylum is not illegal. It's actually one of the many ways of obtaining a VISA

But anyone arriving in Australia without a VISA and/or the correct paperwork is illegal

http://www.immi.gov.au/managing-australias-borders/border-security/irregular-ent...

Check your facts before posting!!!!

Also interesting to note you did not post a link for your claims yet I have posted a link. Difference is I know what I am talking about!!

I have not mentioned about the majority.

I have highlighted that this person was given refugee status within 3 months even though he is not a genuine refugee. This is a failure on the Gillard government

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Reply #22 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:53am
 
Maqqa wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:47am:
Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:17am:
Maqqa wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 7:14am:
Lefties continue to advocate that these illegals are genuine refugee.


1. They aren't "illegals": it's perfectly legal to arrive in Australia by boat, with no passport or visa, and claim asylum.

2. The majority are granted genuine refugee status (not all, but certainly the majority).

3. If they're not genuine refugees, send them home.  Simple.




I have never said the "action" of claim asylum was illegal. This is becoming tedious with the rhetoric from the left!!!

Claiming asylum is not illegal. It's actually one of the many ways of obtaining a VISA

But anyone arriving in Australia without a VISA and/or the correct paperwork is illegal

http://www.immi.gov.au/managing-australias-borders/border-security/irregular-ent...

Check your facts before posting!!!!

Also interesting to note you did not post a link for your claims yet I have posted a link. Difference is I know what I am talking about!!

I have not mentioned about the majority.

I have highlighted that this person was given refugee status within 3 months even though he is not a genuine refugee. This is a failure on the Gillard government



Showing up here without documents and claiming asylum is not illegal.
Just as losing your documents when you are overseas does make you illegal.
Falsifying documents with the intention of obtaining a visa does make you illegal
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Reply #23 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 12:12pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:47am:
Difference is I know what I am talking about!!



Nope.  Your post proves otherwise.

Anyone arriving in Australia without a VISA and/or the correct paperwork is not illegal, as long as they are claiming asylum.

You need to check your facts young man.

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Reply #24 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 12:16pm
 
Soren wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:47am:
SO carry on, altogether now 'oh. it's only one guy, but the rest are all genuine refugees', ...



Lift your game old man.  I never said it's only one guy.

In fact, I said: "There's probably more than one, sure."

I then asked you how many you think it may be (but you failed to answer).

If you can't answer the question, just say so (we all knew that anyway).



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Reply #25 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 12:20pm
 
What is ASIO doing?
They could not find their own arse with both hands.
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Reply #26 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 12:24pm
 
Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 12:16pm:
Soren wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:47am:
SO carry on, altogether now 'oh. it's only one guy, but the rest are all genuine refugees', ...



Lift your game old man.  I never said it's only one guy.

In fact, I said: "There's probably more than one, sure."

I then asked you how many you think it may be (but you failed to answer).

If you can't answer the question, just say so (we all knew that anyway).





Common sense tells us that not all people claiming asylum are genuine but we do know the vast majority of them are.
There will always be shonks in all walks of life but we dont abandon all mankind due to the actions of a few.
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Reply #27 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 12:32pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:47am:
Also interesting to note you did not post a link for your claims yet I have posted a link.


Let me fix that for you:

http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/asylum/boats.php

"Asylum seekers who arrive in Australia by boat are not engaging in illegal activity. The UN Refugee Convention (to which Australia is a signatory) recognises that refugees have a lawful right to enter a country for the purposes of seeking asylum, regardless of how they arrive or whether they hold valid travel or identity documents. The Convention stipulates that what would usually be considered as illegal actions (e.g. entering a country without a visa) should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum. This means that it is incorrect to refer to asylum seekers who arrive without authorisation as “illegal”, as they in fact have a lawful right to enter Australia to seek asylum.

"In line with our obligations under the Convention, Australian law also permits unauthorised entry into Australia for the purposes of seeking asylum. Asylum seekers do not break any Australian laws simply by arriving on boats or without authorisation."

http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/asylum/boats.php
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Reply #28 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 1:53pm
 
As always the right wing media waxes hysterically and those who believe everything they read in the rightwing media bark on command.

The Sydney Daily Telegraph, in a beat up on the Four Corner's programme, uses the term "alleged" or "allegedly" NINE times in its article.

Translated, the term means: "Look, we have no idea whether this is true or not, but we're going to publish it anyway because it suits our prejudices."

Ironically the DT article appears alongside a report that the Australian Press Council has caned the newspaper for "an especially serious breach of its principles" in previous coverage of asylum seekers. The APC found the DT's coverage was "gravely inaccurate, unfair and offensive".
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Reply #29 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 1:55pm
 
Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 12:16pm:
Soren wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:47am:
SO carry on, altogether now 'oh. it's only one guy, but the rest are all genuine refugees', ...



Lift your game old man.  I never said it's only one guy.

In fact, I said: "There's probably more than one, sure."

I then asked you how many you think it may be (but you failed to answer).

If you can't answer the question, just say so (we all knew that anyway).






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