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Smugglers posing as refugees
Jun 5^th, 2012 at 7:13am

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/national/13866296/accused-people-smugglers-...

An alleged people smuggler has set up operations in Canberra after coming to Australia as a refugee, ABC TV's Four Corners program says.

The story, broadcast on Monday, says six people-smuggling agents came to Australia on a boat in early 2010, posing as genuine asylum seekers.

The ABC says at least two of those agents are allegedly still conducting people smuggling operations in Australia.

One, described as "the head of the snake" and known as Captain Emad or Abu Khalid, is living in the nation's capital, the report says.

Four Corners says Emad sent his wife, three adult children and their dependents to Australia on a boat ahead of him in 2009.

All were granted refugee status and live in taxpayer-funded public housing in different Canberra suburbs.

Four Corners interviewed other passengers from the ship the smugglers travelled on in January 2010.

They identified Emad and Yemeni man Abdullah Al Shariffi, a long associate of Emad.

The passengers said the Indonesian boat pilot left the ship early on and Emad, who trained in the navy, navigated the boat to Australia.

"After the Indonesian had gone, Abu Khalid, Captain Emad, took over the boat, the food, the driving, and the equipment," a passenger known as Mustapha said.

Near Christmas Island, he lit flares to alert the Australian Navy.

Officials didn't uncover the deception, listing the boat as suspected illegal entry vessel 96 with 43 passengers and no crew.

The smugglers on board, including Emad, soon became Australian residents.

"Those who were with him and had a history of smuggling get out (of immigration detention) in a short time ... two-and-a-half or three months," Mustapha said.

Four Corners confronted Emad at a shopping centre in the northern suburb of Gungahlin.

He refused to answer questions about whether he was running a people smuggling network, telling the ABC repeatedly he was "too busy".

The discovery of Emad's operations happened as part of an investigation into the fate of 97 asylum seekers on a boat from Indonesia which disappeared in late 2010.

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Smugglers posing as refugees Reply #1 - Jun 5^th, 2012 at 7:14am Let me get this. Under Gillard - this happened? Lefties continue to advocate that these illegals are genuine refugee. How FREAKING easy it is for smugglers to pass Gillard's immigration test!!??
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Reply #2 - Jun 5^th, 2012 at 8:25am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 7:14am:

Let me get this.

Under Gillard - this happened?

Lefties continue to advocate that these illegals are genuine refugee.

How FREAKING easy it is for smugglers to pass Gillard's immigration test!!??

Yes, it was much harder to pass the test under Howard. You had to know Bradman's batting average for a start, just like every other Australian. Tongue

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Reply #3 - Jun 5^th, 2012 at 8:34am

Alleged people smuggling network boss Captain Emad...works as a trolley collector in Canberra.

Remember to say, 'Thanks Cap'n', when you pat your local trolley collector on the head as you slip him a 20 cents tip when he collects your trolley in the carpark.

It's the only caring and sensitive and inclusive thing to do.

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Smugglers posing as refugees Reply #4 - Jun 5^th, 2012 at 8:37am Shouldn't the headline be "Refugee becomes people smuggler" Whatever the headline anyone caught people smuggling should be thrown in gaol for at least 20yrs.
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Reply #5 - Jun 5^th, 2012 at 8:40am

I am surprised we havent got AL Qaeda agents to be honest.

if we just have people smugglers why on earth would anyone be surprised about that? lets consider ourselves LUCKY..

if anyone would know the ropes on how to get an easy passage and life in Australia its the PEOPLE SMUGGLERS>.

you did say it was the ABC didnt you??

just checking to make sure it isn t a pack of lies spread by New Ltd.

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Reply #6 - Jun 5^th, 2012 at 8:42am

Soren wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 8:34am:

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/06/05/1226383/965151-captain-emad.jpg

Alleged people smuggling network boss Captain Emad...works as a trolley collector in Canberra.

Remember to say, 'Thanks Cap'n', when you pat your local trolley collector on the head as you slip him a 20 cents tip when he collects your trolley in the carpark.

It's the only caring and sensitive and inclusive thing to do.

a QUEUE jumper.. how fitting..now I am going to look on all trolley collectors with great suspicion

he could even he the owner of the business

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Reply #7 - Jun 5^th, 2012 at 8:52am

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Capt. Emad - also known as Abu Khalid - hoodwinked Department of Immigration officials to give him and his family refugee status after he arrived on a boat in 2010, ABC TV's Four Corners program revealed last night.

The program claimed that Capt. Emad had come to Australia along with other people smugglers to expand their business by targeting families who wanted to bring loved ones here.

The embarrassing revelations come after four boats of asylum seekers were intercepted in Australian waters in three days.

The latest boat was stopped on Sunday near Ashmore Reef, with 85 passengers and three crew aboard. This year, 3700 boat people have arrived on 48 boats.

Four Corners' investigation found that in early 2010, a syndicate of Iraqi people smugglers meeting in Jakarta decided to send some operators on a boat to Australia to boost their presence here, including Capt. Emad.

One former refugee, Hussain Nasir, described Capt. Emad as "head of the snake" for his role in running the syndicate.

The group posed as genuine asylum seekers to deceive Australian authorities and on January 10, 2010 Capt. Emad skippered a boat from Java with a fellow people smuggler and 41 passengers.

Capt. Emad, who had trained in the navy and worked on cargo ships, steered the boat towards Christmas Island. He gave a false name and was found to be a refugee and given residency within three months.

His wife, three adult children and their dependants had been granted refugee status a year earlier after they arrived on boats.
The ABC discovered that Capt. Emad and his family were living in public housing in Canberra. He refused to talk when confronted at the shopping centre where he works.

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Reply #8 - Jun 5^th, 2012 at 9:45am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 7:13am:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/national/13866296/accused-people-smugglers-...

An alleged people smuggler has set up operations in Canberra after coming to Australia as a refugee, ABC TV's Four Corners program says.

The story, broadcast on Monday, says six people-smuggling agents came to Australia on a boat in early 2010, posing as genuine asylum seekers.

The ABC says at least two of those agents are allegedly still conducting people smuggling operations in Australia.

One, described as "the head of the snake" and known as Captain Emad or Abu Khalid, is living in the nation's capital, the report says.

Four Corners says Emad sent his wife, three adult children and their dependents to Australia on a boat ahead of him in 2009.

All were granted refugee status and live in taxpayer-funded public housing in different Canberra suburbs.

Four Corners interviewed other passengers from the ship the smugglers travelled on in January 2010.

They identified Emad and Yemeni man Abdullah Al Shariffi, a long associate of Emad.

The passengers said the Indonesian boat pilot left the ship early on and Emad, who trained in the navy, navigated the boat to Australia.

"After the Indonesian had gone, Abu Khalid, Captain Emad, took over the boat, the food, the driving, and the equipment," a passenger known as Mustapha said.

Near Christmas Island, he lit flares to alert the Australian Navy.

Officials didn't uncover the deception, listing the boat as suspected illegal entry vessel 96 with 43 passengers and no crew.

The smugglers on board, including Emad, soon became Australian residents.

"Those who were with him and had a history of smuggling get out (of immigration detention) in a short time ... two-and-a-half or three months," Mustapha said.

Four Corners confronted Emad at a shopping centre in the northern suburb of Gungahlin.

He refused to answer questions about whether he was running a people smuggling network, telling the ABC repeatedly he was "too busy".

The discovery of Emad's operations happened as part of an investigation into the fate of 97 asylum seekers on a boat from Indonesia which disappeared in late 2010.

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Another day....another Labor scandal.

Who is surprised? There would probably be others who have come in under the guise of being "asylum seekers". After all, they are being hastened through the system these days and given mainland residences. Are there adequate security checks being made? If so, how were these people accepted.

In my opinion, anyone who is caught "people smuggling" should immediately be arrested and returned from whence he came. What is the difference between someone from Iraq who is people smuggling and any other person found to be flouting Australia's laws. Don't we refuse entry to people who have lied about their circumstances and especially if there is evidence of them openly breaking our immigration laws?

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Reply #9 - Jun 5^th, 2012 at 9:48am

olive wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 9:45am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 7:13am:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/national/13866296/accused-people-smugglers-...

An alleged people smuggler has set up operations in Canberra after coming to Australia as a refugee, ABC TV's Four Corners program says.

The story, broadcast on Monday, says six people-smuggling agents came to Australia on a boat in early 2010, posing as genuine asylum seekers.

The ABC says at least two of those agents are allegedly still conducting people smuggling operations in Australia.

One, described as "the head of the snake" and known as Captain Emad or Abu Khalid, is living in the nation's capital, the report says.

Four Corners says Emad sent his wife, three adult children and their dependents to Australia on a boat ahead of him in 2009.

All were granted refugee status and live in taxpayer-funded public housing in different Canberra suburbs.

Four Corners interviewed other passengers from the ship the smugglers travelled on in January 2010.

They identified Emad and Yemeni man Abdullah Al Shariffi, a long associate of Emad.

The passengers said the Indonesian boat pilot left the ship early on and Emad, who trained in the navy, navigated the boat to Australia.

"After the Indonesian had gone, Abu Khalid, Captain Emad, took over the boat, the food, the driving, and the equipment," a passenger known as Mustapha said.

Near Christmas Island, he lit flares to alert the Australian Navy.

Officials didn't uncover the deception, listing the boat as suspected illegal entry vessel 96 with 43 passengers and no crew.

The smugglers on board, including Emad, soon became Australian residents.

"Those who were with him and had a history of smuggling get out (of immigration detention) in a short time ... two-and-a-half or three months," Mustapha said.

Four Corners confronted Emad at a shopping centre in the northern suburb of Gungahlin.

He refused to answer questions about whether he was running a people smuggling network, telling the ABC repeatedly he was "too busy".

The discovery of Emad's operations happened as part of an investigation into the fate of 97 asylum seekers on a boat from Indonesia which disappeared in late 2010.

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Another day....another Labor scandal.

Who is surprised? There would probably be others who have come in under the guise of being "asylum seekers". After all, they are being hastened through the system these days and given mainland residences. Are there adequate security checks being made? If so, how were these people accepted.

In my opinion, anyone who is caught "people smuggling" should immediately be arrested and returned from whence he came. What is the difference between someone from Iraq who is people smuggling and any other person found to be flouting Australia's laws. Don't we refuse entry to people who have lied about their circumstances and especially if there is evidence of them openly breaking our immigration laws?

hi olive

But the easy of these people in gaining refugee status despite the fact that lefties claims of long term detention

If a people smuggler can gain refugee status within 3 months - then why are the other people being detained?

The conclusion must be that they represent serious threats to the Australian community

Yet we have Australian lawyers out there defending these people who represents a security threat!!!!!

It's no wonder Howard wants them processed off-shore

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Reply #10 - Jun 5^th, 2012 at 9:59am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 9:48am:

olive wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 9:45am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 7:13am:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/national/13866296/accused-people-smugglers-...

An alleged people smuggler has set up operations in Canberra after coming to Australia as a refugee, ABC TV's Four Corners program says.

The story, broadcast on Monday, says six people-smuggling agents came to Australia on a boat in early 2010, posing as genuine asylum seekers.

The ABC says at least two of those agents are allegedly still conducting people smuggling operations in Australia.

One, described as "the head of the snake" and known as Captain Emad or Abu Khalid, is living in the nation's capital, the report says.

Four Corners says Emad sent his wife, three adult children and their dependents to Australia on a boat ahead of him in 2009.

All were granted refugee status and live in taxpayer-funded public housing in different Canberra suburbs.

Four Corners interviewed other passengers from the ship the smugglers travelled on in January 2010.

They identified Emad and Yemeni man Abdullah Al Shariffi, a long associate of Emad.

The passengers said the Indonesian boat pilot left the ship early on and Emad, who trained in the navy, navigated the boat to Australia.

"After the Indonesian had gone, Abu Khalid, Captain Emad, took over the boat, the food, the driving, and the equipment," a passenger known as Mustapha said.

Near Christmas Island, he lit flares to alert the Australian Navy.

Officials didn't uncover the deception, listing the boat as suspected illegal entry vessel 96 with 43 passengers and no crew.

The smugglers on board, including Emad, soon became Australian residents.

"Those who were with him and had a history of smuggling get out (of immigration detention) in a short time ... two-and-a-half or three months," Mustapha said.

Four Corners confronted Emad at a shopping centre in the northern suburb of Gungahlin.

He refused to answer questions about whether he was running a people smuggling network, telling the ABC repeatedly he was "too busy".

The discovery of Emad's operations happened as part of an investigation into the fate of 97 asylum seekers on a boat from Indonesia which disappeared in late 2010.

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Another day....another Labor scandal.

Who is surprised? There would probably be others who have come in under the guise of being "asylum seekers". After all, they are being hastened through the system these days and given mainland residences. Are there adequate security checks being made? If so, how were these people accepted.

In my opinion, anyone who is caught "people smuggling" should immediately be arrested and returned from whence he came. What is the difference between someone from Iraq who is people smuggling and any other person found to be flouting Australia's laws. Don't we refuse entry to people who have lied about their circumstances and especially if there is evidence of them openly breaking our immigration laws?

hi olive

But the easy of these people in gaining refugee status despite the fact that lefties claims of long term detention

If a people smuggler can gain refugee status within 3 months - then why are the other people being detained?

The conclusion must be that they represent serious threats to the Australian community

Yet we have Australian lawyers out there defending these people who represents a security threat!!!!!

It's no wonder Howard wants them processed off-shore

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Hi maqqa.
If a 4 Corners reporter can find out what they have been up to....then why hasn't ASIO been onto it? And if they DO know about it, why isn't it being stopped?
I wonder how this bloke managed to get through the "system" so quickly. You have to wonder if there is some inside help.

It sickens me....especially if the story that people died on a sinking boat, and he knew about it...but STILL demanded money from relatives o/s saying they had arrived safely.

It is about time we had some accountability from this Government. After all....they have instigated this scenario.

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Reply #11 - Jun 5^th, 2012 at 11:09am

This comes as no surprise whatsoever.
I've been saying it for years.
Anyone that arrives via a smugglers boat and disposes of their identity papers has something to hide.
Period.
The Department is under enormous pressure to process these illegals, and with no identity and a plausable story offered is obviously enough proof for the Department to hand over a visa and public house.
Bloody ridiculous situation.
This government has to go.

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Smugglers posing as refugees Reply #12 - Jun 5^th, 2012 at 11:11am wow..one crook..that must mean all refugees are crooks just as Ivan Milat makes all Liberal supporters brutal serial killers
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chicken_lipsforme Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7090 Townsville NQ Gender:	Re: Smugglers posing as refugees Reply #13 - Jun 5^th, 2012 at 11:14am adelcrow wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 11:11am: wow..one crook..that must mean all refugees are crooks just as Ivan Milat makes all Liberal supporters brutal serial killers Of course it's only one crook Adelcrow.
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Reply #14 - Jun 5^th, 2012 at 11:17am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 7:14am:

Lefties continue to advocate that these illegals are genuine refugee.

1. They aren't "illegals": it's perfectly legal to arrive in Australia by boat, with no passport or visa, and claim asylum.

2. The majority are granted genuine refugee status (not all, but certainly the majority).

3. If they're not genuine refugees, send them home. Simple.

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