polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 16^th, 2022 at 1:07pm:



What you need to ask and clear up first is:

1. Did Mohammed and his Koran and hadiths support and model the practice genocide of the Jews and assorted other infidels?

Then you ask:

2. Do Muslim take Mohammed, the Koran and hadiths seriously - unalterable word of Allah and all that?

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It was your inability to find a single Muslim who disagrees, despite 70 pages of your tapdancing, that was the clincher.

Have you ever met a Muslim who does not support genocide?

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No.

You could always try letting her speak for herself.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 1:58pm:


It's the exact opposite Gandalf. Do you really not understand what the term means? It was you who was, quite literally, demanding I prove a negative, oblivious to the absurdity of your demands, even as you detailed them in all their absurdity.

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That not a single Muslim opposes genocide. You literally demanded that I can only say this if I somehow poll every single Muslim on earth.

You job to counter this on the other hand is pretty much the opposite. You only have to find one Muslim who opposes genocide. Your inability to do so has nothing to do with logical fallacies. Rather, it stems from the fact that all Muslims support genocide.

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 7:29am:


The 'prove a negative' fallacy is only used after an unsubstantiated claim is made in the first place. You came up with the claim in question - not me (all muslims support genocide) - and then essentially came back and said "prove it isn't true" (find me a muslim who doesn't support it) when I dared ask for evidence.

You are literally saying that asking for proof for a claim that so desperately needs proof (all muslims support genocide) - is a fallacy. Go figure.

Imagine if I said "all jews support genocide" - based solely on what their prophets did to the Canaanites. In response you (rightly) demand proof for such an outrageous claim - which inescapably can only be done by collecting evidence of what every single jew on earth thinks on the matter. Would it be reasonable to you if I turned around and said "oh, in other words, you want me to prove that not a single jew opposes it - thats a fallacy innit!"

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Yes I did FD - and that is absolutely 100% true. Can you explain how else you can "prove" what 100% of the entire muslim population thinks? Take your time.

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2022 at 8:57am:


I asked you to prove your BS claim FD - nothing more, nothing less. And 3 years later, you are still doing all the mental acrobats you can think of to avoid coming up with any sort of evidence for the utterly insane claim that 100% of muslims - all ~2 billion of us - support genocide.

Not particularly remarkable in itself - you routinely make similar absurd claims. But mildly amusing now (as much as your tedious mental gymnastics can be "amusing") that you try and trip someone up for not being willing to say how many muslims he interrogated in order to claim what a majority (not even 100% like you) think.

Also not the least bit remarkable - that the blatant hypocricy of it goes right over your head.

On 11 September 2011, the 10th anniversary of 9/11, there was a mass brawl outside a pub in Marble Arch in London. A bunch of boozed-up members of the English Defence League had a run-in with Muslim youths. It was depicted as typical EDL ugliness. As one eye-witness described it to the Evening Standard, the ‘EDL guys’ were drinking outside the pub ‘when a large group of Muslims walked past’. The EDL thugs ‘started hurling racist abuse at the Muslims, who took offence’. ‘[The Muslims] got angry’, the eye-witness said, ‘and were yelling back’. Things escalated and two EDL members were stabbed.

The media the next day featured images of snarling, fuming EDL blokes. You know the type: fortysomething, with very trimmed haircuts, wouldn’t look out of place in a Danny Dyer documentary. The fascist menace, as they’re so often described. Two people from that fight in 2011 did indeed go on to become murderous neo-fascists. They went on to kidnap people they considered to be their inferiors, put them in cages, gave them ‘dog names’, tortured them, and then conspired in slitting their throats and removing their heads. Only it wasn’t any of the EDL guys. It was two of the Muslim youths they were reportedly hurling abuse at.

It was El Shafee Elsheikh and Alexanda Kotey. They were involved in that EDL-Muslim clash. They were arrested over the stabbing of the EDL members but were later released without charge. A few months after the brawl, in 2012, the pair travelled to Syria to throw their lot in with Islamic extremists. They first fought with Jabhat al-Nusra, an al-Qaeda offshoot, and then with the Islamic State. They rose up through the ISIS ranks and, with fellow Britons Mohammed Emwazi and Aine Davis, formed a notorious hostage-taking cell that came to be nicknamed ‘the ISIS Beatles’. Their depravity was extraordinary. They abused and tortured their captives. They treated them like dogs. They beheaded them on camera. They did this to aid workers and journalists. Their behaviour was ‘egregious, violent and inhumane’, in the words of the American judge who gave a life sentence to Kotey in April this year. You still want to talk about the fascist menace?

We are in denial about an evil in our midst. About a very serious problem of religious violence that has caused death and destruction both at home and abroad – some 900 Britons travelled to Syria to assist ISIS. Identity politics has hamstrung the elites. Their identitarian prejudices mean they fear offending allegedly fragile Muslims and inflaming the latent racism of the white masses if too much is said about the problem of radical Islam. This benefits no one, least of all our fellow Muslim citizens, who are as keen as the rest of us to combat Islamist terrorism. Looking back on that brawl in 2011, the question is why weren’t liberals and secular leftists and humanists more broadly counter-protesting those radical Islamists who were raging against America and Western democracy? Where were we? Why was it left to hard-right opportunists to stand up to a genuine hate group, two of whose members would go on to inflict extreme ideological terror on scores of people? The silence of the elites scares me far more than the rabble-rousing of a few right-wing fools.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/08/28/we-are-still-in-denial-about-radical-is...