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Labor's lack of leaders
May 28^th, 2012 at 12:57pm

Labor has had a problem ever since Hawke of not being able to produce a leader to galvanise their factions, and inspirational enough to be a true statemen for the country.

The reason Howard lasted so long was because all they could put up was Bomber beazily and Simon Crean (Latham I'll ignore for now). Both fine ministers, but not leaders. Rudd has the statemanship, but most of the party hate him. Gillard is an excellent minister, but a hopeless leader. No one else springs to mind as an obvious replacement..

How can a party lack the ability (or is it the structure) to get a strong leader in over 16 years ?

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Reply #1 - May 28^th, 2012 at 1:09pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 12:57pm:

Labor has had a problem ever since Hawke of not being able to produce a leader to galvanise their factions, and inspirational enough to be a true statemen for the country.

The reason Howard lasted so long was because all they could put up was Bomber beazily and Simon Crean (Latham I'll ignore for now). Both fine ministers, but not leaders. Rudd has the statemanship, but most of the party hate him. Gillard is an excellent minister, but a hopeless leader. No one else springs to mind as an obvious replacement..

How can a party lack the ability (or is it the structure) to get a strong leader in over 16 years ?

Because you dont get leaders from unions, you get blood sucking leachers.

They need to get their people from outside of unions.

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Reply #2 - May 28^th, 2012 at 1:59pm

progressiveslol wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 1:09pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 12:57pm:

Labor has had a problem ever since Hawke of not being able to produce a leader to galvanise their factions, and inspirational enough to be a true statemen for the country.

The reason Howard lasted so long was because all they could put up was Bomber beazily and Simon Crean (Latham I'll ignore for now). Both fine ministers, but not leaders. Rudd has the statemanship, but most of the party hate him. Gillard is an excellent minister, but a hopeless leader. No one else springs to mind as an obvious replacement..

How can a party lack the ability (or is it the structure) to get a strong leader in over 16 years ?

Because you dont get leaders from unions, you get blood sucking leachers.

They need to get their people from outside of unions.

Oh! You mean they should follow the Lieberal example and get them from places like from law firms? No blood sucking leeches there! Cheesy

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Re: Labor's lack of leaders
Reply #3 - May 28^th, 2012 at 4:30pm

Gist wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 1:59pm:

progressiveslol wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 1:09pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 12:57pm:

Labor has had a problem ever since Hawke of not being able to produce a leader to galvanise their factions, and inspirational enough to be a true statemen for the country.

The reason Howard lasted so long was because all they could put up was Bomber beazily and Simon Crean (Latham I'll ignore for now). Both fine ministers, but not leaders. Rudd has the statemanship, but most of the party hate him. Gillard is an excellent minister, but a hopeless leader. No one else springs to mind as an obvious replacement..

How can a party lack the ability (or is it the structure) to get a strong leader in over 16 years ?

Because you dont get leaders from unions, you get blood sucking leachers.

They need to get their people from outside of unions.

Oh! You mean they should follow the Lieberal example and get them from places like from law firms? No blood sucking leeches there! Cheesy

Julia Gillard was in a law firm, wasn't she? Even if it WAS an ambulance chasing law firm.

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Labor's lack of leaders Reply #4 - May 28^th, 2012 at 4:33pm Nick X is an ambo chaser from way back and hes the best and most honest pollie we have
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Reply #5 - May 28^th, 2012 at 4:34pm

Gist wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 1:59pm:

progressiveslol wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 1:09pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 12:57pm:

Labor has had a problem ever since Hawke of not being able to produce a leader to galvanise their factions, and inspirational enough to be a true statemen for the country.

The reason Howard lasted so long was because all they could put up was Bomber beazily and Simon Crean (Latham I'll ignore for now). Both fine ministers, but not leaders. Rudd has the statemanship, but most of the party hate him. Gillard is an excellent minister, but a hopeless leader. No one else springs to mind as an obvious replacement..

How can a party lack the ability (or is it the structure) to get a strong leader in over 16 years ?

Because you dont get leaders from unions, you get blood sucking leachers.

They need to get their people from outside of unions.

Oh! You mean they should follow the Lieberal example and get them from places like from law firms? No blood sucking leeches there! Cheesy

huhum you seem to forget your precious PM is a lawyer.

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Reply #6 - May 28^th, 2012 at 4:36pm

adelcrow wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 4:33pm:

Nick X is an ambo chaser from way back and hes the best and most honest pollie we have

mm what has he done exactly????????????.

its okay voting for or against... but really I expect a little more.Scientology was his go a short while ago what happened to that???

not enough votes in it?????

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Labor's lack of leaders Reply #7 - May 28^th, 2012 at 4:41pm http://www.nickxenophon.com.au/ Ask Nick any questions and you will find he will answer them promptly..its much better than hearing it from me
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Reply #8 - May 28^th, 2012 at 4:48pm

Getting back to the title....Labor's Lack of Leaders....it really DOES seem remarkable that there is such a paucity of people to choose from on the left. If they REALLY have to go back to Kevin Rudd, then they will have to face up to all the names they called him at the last little ding dong they had about who should lead. Then there is Smith...who never seems to put himself forward...I think he has had some issues in Defence. Then there is Billy Shorten....GG's son in law and very ambitious for himself....hmmm? Greg Combet? Don't think so. Crean....a good minister but the left don't want him. Maybe they SHOULD bring back Hawke.

Funny how no-one even mentions Swan, isn't it......and everyone can see why.
Or maybe they should ask the Leader of the House, Mr. Albanese, the Minister for Infastwucture.....oh dear.

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Reply #9 - May 28^th, 2012 at 4:57pm

adelcrow wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 4:41pm:

http://www.nickxenophon.com.au/

Ask Nick any questions and you will find he will answer them promptly..its much better than hearing it from me

thanks adel you have answered my very point bugger all.. words words words..

has he changed anything ???

did he dig in with Wilkie on pokie reform???? not that I saw..

look I can put my hand up.. and talk about the things that seem to be in the headlines... yep I agree and go along with everything..

but but but...well I guess it wasnt his fault if it didnt lead anywhere..hummmmmmmm

you are the one that made the statement the most honest man in parliament......of course.

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Reply #10 - May 28^th, 2012 at 5:01pm

olive wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 4:48pm:

Getting back to the title....Labor's Lack of Leaders....it really DOES seem remarkable that there is such a paucity of people to choose from on the left. If they REALLY have to go back to Kevin Rudd, then they will have to face up to all the names they called him at the last little ding dong they had about who should lead. Then there is Smith...who never seems to put himself forward...I think he has had some issues in Defence. Then there is Billy Shorten....GG's son in law and very ambitious for himself....hmmm? Greg Combet? Don't think so. Crean....a good minister but the left don't want him. Maybe they SHOULD bring back Hawke.

Funny how no-one even mentions Swan, isn't it......and everyone can see why.
Or maybe they should ask the Leader of the House, Mr. Albanese, the Minister for Infastwucture.....oh dear.

I have often wondered about swanny.. I wonder if he sits their thinking...

WHY NOT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Ive always wanted to be PM>>and no one nominates me..

I think with the way they are all walking on a very thin balancing line...no one will ever get the numbers to be leader..

the best they can do is have an election and clear the whole place out and get new blood in.

it will of course take a while but really if they hang on to this bunch who in my opinion are all soiled one way or another..then they will be in the wilderness for a long long time.

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Reply #12 - May 28^th, 2012 at 5:06pm

cods wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 5:01pm:

olive wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 4:48pm:

Getting back to the title....Labor's Lack of Leaders....it really DOES seem remarkable that there is such a paucity of people to choose from on the left. If they REALLY have to go back to Kevin Rudd, then they will have to face up to all the names they called him at the last little ding dong they had about who should lead. Then there is Smith...who never seems to put himself forward...I think he has had some issues in Defence. Then there is Billy Shorten....GG's son in law and very ambitious for himself....hmmm? Greg Combet? Don't think so. Crean....a good minister but the left don't want him. Maybe they SHOULD bring back Hawke.

Funny how no-one even mentions Swan, isn't it......and everyone can see why.
Or maybe they should ask the Leader of the House, Mr. Albanese, the Minister for Infastwucture.....oh dear.

I have often wondered about swanny.. I wonder if he sits their thinking...

WHY NOT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Ive always wanted to be PM>>and no one nominates me..

I think with the way they are all walking on a very thin balancing line...no one will ever get the numbers to be leader..

the best they can do is have an election and clear the whole place out and get new blood in.

it will of course take a while but really if they hang on to this bunch who in my opinion are all soiled one way or another..then they will be in the wilderness for a long long time.

.....

Remember when Rudd said that Swan was the "cool" one and he (Rudd) was the "nerd"? Seems such a long while ago now when they were at the top of the opinion polls.....sigh.

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Reply #13 - May 28^th, 2012 at 8:01pm

olive wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 4:30pm:

Gist wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 1:59pm:

progressiveslol wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 1:09pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 12:57pm:

Labor has had a problem ever since Hawke of not being able to produce a leader to galvanise their factions, and inspirational enough to be a true statemen for the country.

The reason Howard lasted so long was because all they could put up was Bomber beazily and Simon Crean (Latham I'll ignore for now). Both fine ministers, but not leaders. Rudd has the statemanship, but most of the party hate him. Gillard is an excellent minister, but a hopeless leader. No one else springs to mind as an obvious replacement..

How can a party lack the ability (or is it the structure) to get a strong leader in over 16 years ?

Because you dont get leaders from unions, you get blood sucking leachers.

They need to get their people from outside of unions.

Oh! You mean they should follow the Lieberal example and get them from places like from law firms? No blood sucking leeches there! Cheesy

Julia Gillard was in a law firm, wasn't she? Even if it WAS an ambulance chasing law firm.

Why thank you cods and olive. I needed no reminding but assumed that you had already lumped her into the blood sucking leech basket simply by virtue of her Labor leadership status.

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Reply #14 - May 28^th, 2012 at 8:37pm

Oh! You mean they should follow the Lieberal example and get them from places like from law firms? No blood sucking leeches there!

Oh Gist you've done it again.

Sorry to prick your balloon Gist. In 2010 the ALP had twenty lawyers in Parliament, Nicola Roxon
Daryl Melham, Penny Wong, Shayne Neumann, Tony Burke
Mark Butler, Simon Crean amongst them.
The Liberals had THIRTEEN. Cheesy

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