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Islam is the way forward
May 25th, 2012 at 12:36pm
 
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Parents 'killed daughter for being too westernised'

A Pakistani born couple living in England has gone on trial, accused of murdering their teenage daughter because she had become 'too westernised'.

Iftikhar and Farzana Ahmed stand accused of killing their 17-year-old daughter Shafilea nine years ago because she had brought shame upon the family.

Shafilea's alleged 'shameful' acts include wanting to go to university and to have a boyfriend like other girls her age.

Shafilea disappeared just a day after she enrolled herself in college and began a part time job in 2003.

Her parents failed to report her missing, and an investigation was only started after a teacher raised the alarm.

Her decomposed body was found on the banks of a nearby river five months later.

Police finally got the breakthrough they were waiting for when Shafilea's sister came forward to say she witnessed her parents kill her sister.

At the couple's trial yesterday the court was told they had tried to force their daughter into a more traditional lifestyle by sending her back to Pakistan and arranging a marriage for her.

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http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/13749709/parents-killed-daughter-for-being-too-westernised/


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Reply #1 - May 25th, 2012 at 5:23pm
 
This has nothing to do with Islam.

How do you know that the people involved were even Muslim?

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they had tried to force their daughter into a more traditional lifestyle


Hmmm...the article doesn't say "religious lifestyle" now does it?



Islam forbids murder.



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...nor kill such life as God has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse and whoever does this shall receive the punishment.
[Quran, al-Furqan, v.68]


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The Prophet was asked about the great sins He said, "They are:-- (1 ) To ascribe partners to God in worship, (2) To be undutiful to one's parents. (3) To kill a person (i.e. to commit the crime of murdering). (4) And to give a false witness." 
[Bukhari]


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Reply #2 - May 25th, 2012 at 8:25pm
 
falah wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 5:23pm:
This has nothing to do with Islam.

How do you know that the people involved were even Muslim?

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they had tried to force their daughter into a more traditional lifestyle


Hmmm...the article doesn't say "religious lifestyle" now does it?



Islam forbids murder.



Quote:
...nor kill such life as God has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse and whoever does this shall receive the punishment.
[Quran, al-Furqan, v.68]


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The Prophet was asked about the great sins He said, "They are:-- (1 ) To ascribe partners to God in worship, (2) To be undutiful to one's parents. (3) To kill a person (i.e. to commit the crime of murdering). (4) And to give a false witness." 
[Bukhari]





Looking at your posts, pal, I'm thinking 'Islam is a LOT worse than I can imagine'.

Just alien.

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Reply #3 - May 25th, 2012 at 8:41pm
 
salad in wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 12:36pm:
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Parents 'killed daughter for being too westernised'

A Pakistani born couple living in England has gone on trial, accused of murdering their teenage daughter because she had become 'too westernised'.

Iftikhar and Farzana Ahmed stand accused of killing their 17-year-old daughter Shafilea nine years ago because she had brought shame upon the family.

Shafilea's alleged 'shameful' acts include wanting to go to university and to have a boyfriend like other girls her age.

Shafilea disappeared just a day after she enrolled herself in college and began a part time job in 2003.

Her parents failed to report her missing, and an investigation was only started after a teacher raised the alarm.

Her decomposed body was found on the banks of a nearby river five months later.

Police finally got the breakthrough they were waiting for when Shafilea's sister came forward to say she witnessed her parents kill her sister.

At the couple's trial yesterday the court was told they had tried to force their daughter into a more traditional lifestyle by sending her back to Pakistan and arranging a marriage for her.

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http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/13749709/parents-killed-daughter-for-being-too-westernised/


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Honestly, why do people like this even live in the Western world. If you hate it here, then just leave.

But stupid immigration policies will still bring trash like that in.
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Reply #4 - May 25th, 2012 at 10:33pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 8:41pm:

Honestly, why do people like this even live in the Western world. If you hate it here, then just leave.

But stupid immigration policies will still bring trash like that in.




MM,

Good on ya, for expressing your opinion in this forum.

Please do it some more.

And do it in other places too.

Write to the 'Letters to the editor' of your fav. paper, and to your local member of Parliament, putting forth why you feel the way you do on this issue.

The politics of this issue will only change, if we work at informing more people around us, about the 'problem' of ISLAM and moslems.



ISLAM is a social/societal cancer.

Its primary 'function' is to destroy functioning, creative, energised societies.


e.g.
What is Saudi Arabia without oil money ?

Q.
What WAS Saudi Arabia before oil money ?

A.
A bunch of despotic, raggedy, camel herding, tent dwellers.




Dictionary;
despot = = a ruler who exercises absolute power, especially in a cruel or oppressive way.


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Reply #5 - May 26th, 2012 at 10:55pm
 
I agree, but then all religions are cancers only some are worse than others
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Reply #6 - May 27th, 2012 at 11:11am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 8:41pm:
If you hate it here, then just leave.

But stupid immigration policies will still bring trash like that in.



Apparently the trash are free to leave whenever they want:

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I won't call Australia home: Hanson to emigrate


The woman who launched a political career on an anti-immigration platform is set to become an immigrant herself. Only days after declaring she was finished with politics, the former One Nation leader Pauline Hanson has revealed plans to sell her Queensland property and resettle in Britain, potentially for good.

''I'm going to be away indefinitely. It's pretty much goodbye forever,'' she told Woman's Day magazine in an interview, published today.

''I've really had enough. I want peace in my life. I want contentment, and that's what I'm aiming for."

The former federal MP's hard-line views on race sparked a national debate over immigration policy and Aboriginal disadvantage from the time she entered Parliament in 1996 at the same election which made John Howard prime minister. In a 1200-word interview, parts of which have been released to the Herald, Ms Hanson told the magazine she was disappointed by the way Australia has changed. ''Sadly, the land of opportunity is no more applicable," she said.

Ms Hanson said she was selling her property at Coleyville, south-west of Brisbane, before taking a cruise.

The 55-year-old said she would spend a few months in the South Island of New Zealand and eventually relocate to Britain.

Ms Hanson's father is English and her mother's family is Irish, which means she can hold dual citizenship.

Her last tilt at politics came last year with an unsuccessful bid for the Queensland state seat of Beaudesert as an independent.

Last week, Ms Hanson quashed speculation that the current debate over asylum seekers and foreign ownership presented an opportunity for her at this year's federal election.

In her maiden speech, Ms Hanson said she believed that ''we are in danger of being swamped by Asians'' and questioned multiculturalism.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/i-wont-call-australia-home-hanson-to-emigrate-201...


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Murdoch wants U.S. citizenship


Australian publisher Rupert Murdoch told Federal Communications Commissioners on Friday that he will become an U.S. citizen so he can clear a legal hurdle and become an owner of six of the biggest TV stations in the country, one of the commissioners said.

Commissioner James H. Quello said Murdoch told him "he would not apply (for the transfer) until he became an U.S. citizen."

Another participant in the meetings said he believed Murdoch would sell his newspapers in New York and Chicago to comply with the rules.

Murdoch, who owns daily newspapers in Chicago, New York, Boston and San Antonio, is discussing buying six Metromedia-owned stations in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Dallas and Washington, or merging his film company with Metromedia.

The Houston station is KRIV, Ch. 26.

Murdoch and Metromedia Chairman John W. Kluge met on Friday morning with four of the five FCC commissioners and commission officials involved in approving station transfers, according to commission spokesman William A. Russell Jr.

Russell said Kluge and Murdoch had lunch with commission Chairman Mark S. Fowler on Tuesday.

In New York, Howard J. Rubenstein, a spokesman for Murdoch, said only "Negotiations are in progress among Metromedia, Rupert Murdoch, News America, Marvin Davis and 20th Century-Fox concerning the possible transfer of certain Metromedia properties. Until negotiations are concluded, no further statements will be made."

Responding to reports that Murdoch would seek citizenship and sell the New York and Chicago papers, Rubenstein said, "Mr. Murdoch said that he would become a U.S. citizen in order to complete the transaction. He also said he would comply with the law."

Regarding the report that he might sell his papers in New York and Chicago, Rubenstein said, "He did not say that."

An FCC official said the commissioners were told there would be a news conference announcing the deal on Monday.

News America is Murdoch's U.S. company. Oilman Davis and Murdoch own 20th Century-Fox.

A commission rule that stands in Murdoch's way is one that says an owner of a newspaper cannot own more than 5 percent of a broadcast station in the same city.

Murdoch's newspapers and Kluge's TV stations overlap in New York and Chicago.

Roy J. Stewart, chief of the FCC's video services division, said waivers have been granted in the past that give an owner some time after a purchase to sell off either the newspaper or the broadcast station.

"He might come in and ask for a limited waiver" to give him time to divest of the newspapers or to spin off the stations, Stewart said.

Quello said he sees no bar to the deal, if Murdoch meets the citizenship standard and does not ask to keep the newspapers.

Federal law prohibits non-citizens from owning more than 20 percent of a TV licensee or 25 percent of the licensee's parent company.

To become a citizen, Murdoch would first have to become a permanent resident alien in the United States.

http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl/1985_9135/murdoch-wants-u-s-citize...




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Reply #7 - May 28th, 2012 at 12:19pm
 
There's a difference between murdering a teenager because she wanted to go to university and a boyfriend, and Hanson 'sparking debate' and Murdoch wanting US citizenship.

But perhaps in your world debating and wanting citizenship is worse that murdering an innocent teenage girl? Seem so.
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Reply #8 - May 28th, 2012 at 12:34pm
 
I don't think Falah puts that much thought into it. For him it is just a googling competition.

Under Islam, the death of the girl would not be sanctioned unless she apostasised (rejected Islam). Even then it would not be sanctioned without the proper Islamic authority and paperwork, and a good old fashioned community stoning and picnic. Is that right Falah?
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Reply #9 - May 28th, 2012 at 12:38pm
 
bludger wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 10:55pm:
I agree, but then all religions are cancers only some are worse than others



SO what cancer is Islam? Colon (ie. pain the a***)?
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Reply #10 - May 28th, 2012 at 4:27pm
 
Yes, my friends, Pakistan is number one again!

Feel freeeeeee to donate to local Pakistani consulate.
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Reply #11 - May 28th, 2012 at 4:29pm
 
Hang on - I just read article. Falah is right. Illegal murder is haram.
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Reply #12 - May 28th, 2012 at 7:26pm
 
freediver wrote on May 28th, 2012 at 12:34pm:
Under Islam, the death of the girl would not be sanctioned unless she apostasised (rejected Islam). Even then it would not be sanctioned without the proper Islamic authority and paperwork, and a good old fashioned community stoning and picnic. Is that right Falah?



The rules for apostasy and hesey are mauch harsher in the Bible:



Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.  (Deuteronomy 17:12)



Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live.  (Exodus 22:17)


Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death.  (Leviticus 20:27)



Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.  (Exodus 21:15)



Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness.  (Proverbs 20:20)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death.  They are guilty of a capital offense.  (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)


Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed.  (Exodus 22:19)


Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.  (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)


Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord."  When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.  (Zechariah 13:3)



Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.  In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.  Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.  That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.  Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.  Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you.  He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors.  "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."  (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)

Kill Followers of Other Religions

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him.  Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you.  You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery.  And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.  (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)



2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden.  When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death.  (Deuteronomy 17:2-5)



Death for Blasphemy

One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men.  During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name.  So the man was brought to Moses for judgment.  His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan.  They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear.  Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head.  Then let the entire community stone him to death.  Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished.  Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel.  Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die.  (Leviticus 24:10-16)



Kill False Prophets

1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles,  and the predicted signs or miracles take place.  If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them.  The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul.  Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone.  Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him.  The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt.  Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you.  (Deuteronomy 13:1-5)



2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.'  You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?'  If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message.  That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared.  (Deuteronomy 18:20-22)

Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle

For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites.  You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment.  They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it.  Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again.  Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.'  (Numbers 1:48-51)



Kill People for Working on the Sabbath

The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever.  It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy.  Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy.  Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community.  Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest.  I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15)

Kill Followers of Other Religions

While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women.  These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab.  Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD's anger to blaze against his people.  The LORD issued the following command to Moses: "Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel."  So Moses ordered Israel's judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor.  Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle.  When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly.  Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man's body and into the woman's stomach.  So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died.  (Numbers 25:1-9)
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Under Islam, the death of the girl would not be sanctioned unless she apostasised (rejected Islam). Even then it would not be sanctioned without the proper Islamic authority and paperwork, and a good old fashioned community stoning and picnic. Is that right Falah?
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