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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	It's A Carbon Pricing Scheme ... May 22^nd, 2012 at 9:57am Why do some still think charging the largest dumpers, of a certain pollution, is a tax. Is it because they are economic illiterates?
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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: It's A Carbon Pricing Scheme ... Reply #1 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:04am Actually, its more like a levy. I believe the australian definition of a "levy" is a tax that has a limited life (Howardesqe). Since the carbon tax levy will be replaced by an ETS in 3 years, its definitely a levy.
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: It's A Carbon Pricing Scheme ... Reply #2 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 10:06am Carbon tax, carbon levy. Whats the difference. e will still rally against both and Gillard will still be in the same poo
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59991 Here Gender:	Re: It's A Carbon Pricing Scheme ... Reply #3 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:11am I do not see how purchasing carbon credits is either a tax or a levy.
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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: It's A Carbon Pricing Scheme ... Reply #4 - May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:12am Just don't plant those smacking trees where we want to mine
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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26837 Gender:	Re: It's A Carbon Pricing Scheme ... Reply #5 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:04am ____ wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 9:57am: Why do some still think charging the largest dumpers, of a certain pollution, is a tax. Is it because they are economic illiterates? It's a TAX, you literal illiterate!!!
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Reply #6 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:43am

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:04am:

____ wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 9:57am:

Why do some still think charging the largest dumpers, of a certain pollution, is a tax.

Is it because they are economic illiterates?

It's a TAX, you literal illiterate!!!

If someone decides to dump a lot of pollution into the environment, they buy credits.

Credits !!!

No one pays a tax.

No wonder Abbott is classed as an economic illiterate by Peter costello.

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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: It's A Carbon Pricing Scheme ... Reply #7 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:15am Quote: It's A Carbon Pricing Scheme ... Its a Native Australian tax and after the next election its a toasted tax.
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Reply #8 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:20am

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:04am:

____ wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 9:57am:

Why do some still think charging the largest dumpers, of a certain pollution, is a tax.

Is it because they are economic illiterates?

It's a TAX, you literal illiterate!!!

How much will anyone in the community pay in carbon tax

Answer = $0

How much will the identified high carbon dioxide producers pay in carbon tax?

Answer = $0

How much money will the ATO collect?

Answer = $0

The only tax ever where nobody pays any tax and no tax is collected.

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Reply #9 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:26am

Dnarever wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:11am:

I do not see how purchasing carbon credits is either a tax or a levy.

You are kidding right?

A Tax or Levy is legislative payment to the government and is a reduction of your profits

Purchasing carbon credits is also legislative payment to the government and is also a reduction of your profits

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Reply #10 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:29am

Dnarever wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:20am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:04am:

____ wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 9:57am:

Why do some still think charging the largest dumpers, of a certain pollution, is a tax.

Is it because they are economic illiterates?

It's a TAX, you literal illiterate!!!

How much will anyone in the community pay in carbon tax

Answer = $0

the pay it through higher prices because the carbon tax is passed on through these companies

How much will the identified high carbon dioxide producers pay in carbon tax?

Answer = $0

in accordance to what the ALP dream up. See the list of 500

How much money will the ATO collect?

Answer = $0

The ATO is just another collection agency for the government. There are many revenue collection agencies for the government

The only tax ever where nobody pays any tax and no tax is collected.

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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

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Reply #11 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 11:37am

Maqqa wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:26am:

Dnarever wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:11am:

I do not see how purchasing carbon credits is either a tax or a levy.

You are kidding right?

A Tax or Levy is legislative payment to the government and is a reduction of your profits

Purchasing carbon credits is also legislative payment to the government and is also a reduction of your profits

You do point out how the opposition get away with claiming it is a tax by the definition that anything the government collects by any means for any reason is a tax.

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Reply #12 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 12:08pm

Maqqa wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:29am:

Dnarever wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:20am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:04am:

____ wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 9:57am:

Why do some still think charging the largest dumpers, of a certain pollution, is a tax.

Is it because they are economic illiterates?

It's a TAX, you literal illiterate!!!

How much will anyone in the community pay in carbon tax

Answer = $0

the pay it through higher prices because the carbon tax is passed on through these companies

So you argue that any price increas is effectivly in itself a tax, We all understand that some prices will increase thus compensation but it is still not a tax being paid by consumers in any way - not even close.

How much will the identified high carbon dioxide producers pay in carbon tax?

How much money will the ATO collect?

Answer = $0

The ATO is just another collection agency for the government. There are many revenue collection agencies for the government

Just another collection agence - maybe the silliest thing you ever said. They only collect income tax business taxes GST and virtually every other federal tax - probably well over 98% of tax if not 100%.

The only tax ever where nobody pays any tax and no tax is collected.

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Reply #13 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 12:16pm

Dnarever wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 12:08pm:

Maqqa wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:29am:

Dnarever wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:20am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:04am:

____ wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 9:57am:

Why do some still think charging the largest dumpers, of a certain pollution, is a tax.

Is it because they are economic illiterates?

It's a TAX, you literal illiterate!!!

How much will anyone in the community pay in carbon tax

Answer = $0

the pay it through higher prices because the carbon tax is passed on through these companies

So you argue that any price increas is effectivly in itself a tax, We all understand that some prices will increase thus compensation but it is still not a tax being paid by consumers in any way - not even close.

How much will the identified high carbon dioxide producers pay in carbon tax?

How much money will the ATO collect?

Answer = $0

The ATO is just another collection agency for the government. There are many revenue collection agencies for the government

Just another collection agence - maybe the silliest thing you ever said. They only collect income tax business taxes GST and virtually every other federal tax - probably well over 98% of tax if not 100%.

The only tax ever where nobody pays any tax and no tax is collected.

I argue that any legislated requirements that increase costs to a business is either a tax or a levy

You are wrong about the "some prices will increase" comment. Anything that uses products and services from the companies that pays the carbon tax will pass on the prices to consumer.

You name me 3 things in this economy that you use that does not require electricity or petrol as part of its process!!

As for the "agency" comment - read my post again. The ATO is simply a collection agency. Each of these agencies have legislative powers to act to collect the required revenue.

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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

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Reply #14 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 1:30pm

Dnarever wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:20am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:04am:

____ wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 9:57am:

Why do some still think charging the largest dumpers, of a certain pollution, is a tax.

Is it because they are economic illiterates?

It's a TAX, you literal illiterate!!!

How much will anyone in the community pay in carbon tax

Answer = $0

How much will the identified high carbon dioxide producers pay in carbon tax?

Answer = $0

How much money will the ATO collect?

Answer = $0

The only tax ever where nobody pays any tax and no tax is collected.

Qantas is just one airline that has increased its airfares as it seeks to limit additional expense due to the carbon tax and in doing so, has passed on the cost of this carbon tax to its passengers. Councils around the country will do the same to ratepayers when they are hit with the carbon tax from July 1. Your delusion that ordinary people in the community will not pay for this tax is simply ridiculous.

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