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Reply #60 - May 17th, 2012 at 11:13am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 10:18am:
Honky wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 9:51am:
"the left" is not an interchangeable term for labor
"the right" is not an inetrchangeable term for liberal

All are held to the narrative set by the cultural elite who are unreservedly and unashamedly leftwing.


Who said it was? They are both the same. However the liberals have the media on thier "side".

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 10:54am:
No. I am "debating" on the OP post. He gave the definition of dog whistling and what you are saying is the "left" doing it doesnt fit the description. I have no party affiliation. What party are you accusing me of affiliating with?

It may have been "explained" but it wasnt right. The media is doing it on behalf of the liberal party.

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I thought we had it all wrapped up in a neat little package when you agreed that the subject might not even notice the "whistle".  Surely that was an acceptance that your "team" does it but you just don't recognise it?
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Reply #61 - May 17th, 2012 at 11:23am
 
Honky wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 11:13am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 10:18am:
Honky wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 9:51am:
"the left" is not an interchangeable term for labor
"the right" is not an inetrchangeable term for liberal

All are held to the narrative set by the cultural elite who are unreservedly and unashamedly leftwing.


Who said it was? They are both the same. However the liberals have the media on thier "side".

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 10:54am:
No. I am "debating" on the OP post. He gave the definition of dog whistling and what you are saying is the "left" doing it doesnt fit the description. I have no party affiliation. What party are you accusing me of affiliating with?

It may have been "explained" but it wasnt right. The media is doing it on behalf of the liberal party.

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I thought we had it all wrapped up in a neat little package when you agreed that the subject might not even notice the "whistle".  Surely that was an acceptance that your "team" does it but you just don't recognise it?


No i didnt. I didnt say they were interchangeable. I said that murdoch backs the liberal party. I didnt say whether that was left or right. Apparently its right but both parties are the same so that would mean labour is also right.

My "team"? I dont have a "team". I asked you earlier and you didnt reply. How are those so-called "leftist" dog whistles dog whistles? If you understand what a dog whistle is then you should be able to give me the alternate words that they should use.

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Reply #62 - May 17th, 2012 at 11:29am
 
Corrct me if I'm wrong, but from what I can see,your argument is that other people don't recognise the "dog whistle" that sets them off, but whoever represents your point of view doesn't even use the tactic?
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Reply #63 - May 17th, 2012 at 11:39am
 
Honky wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 11:29am:
Corrct me if I'm wrong, but from what I can see,your argument is that other people don't recognise the "dog whistle" that sets them off, but whoever represents your point of view doesn't even use the tactic? 


Hahahahha. Thats completely silly. What is my point of view? Im saying that the media uses dog whistles in support of the liberal party.

You can completely debunk this by providing me with the alternate words the supposed other media should use in place of those words that are supposed to be dog whistles.

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Reply #64 - May 17th, 2012 at 11:42am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 11:39am:
Honky wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 11:29am:
Corrct me if I'm wrong, but from what I can see,your argument is that other people don't recognise the "dog whistle" that sets them off, but whoever represents your point of view doesn't even use the tactic? 


Hahahahha. Thats completely silly. What is my point of view? Im saying that the media uses dog whistles in support of the liberal party.
You can completely debunk this by providing me with the alternate words the supposed other media should use in place of those words that are supposed to be dog whistles.

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yes, we've established that.  And do you also accept other media outlets use dog whistles in support of labor and other parties?
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Reply #65 - May 17th, 2012 at 11:56am
 
Honky wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 11:42am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 11:39am:
Honky wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 11:29am:
Corrct me if I'm wrong, but from what I can see,your argument is that other people don't recognise the "dog whistle" that sets them off, but whoever represents your point of view doesn't even use the tactic? 


Hahahahha. Thats completely silly. What is my point of view? Im saying that the media uses dog whistles in support of the liberal party.
You can completely debunk this by providing me with the alternate words the supposed other media should use in place of those words that are supposed to be dog whistles.

SOB


yes, we've established that.  And do you also accept other media outlets use dog whistles in support of labor and other parties?


No. I do not. I havent seen any evidence of that. In fact I have seen them use the same ones as murdoch media. If I am wrong provide the alternate words they should have used for those supposed ones in post 12.

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Reply #66 - May 17th, 2012 at 12:00pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 11:56am:
Honky wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 11:42am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 11:39am:
Honky wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 11:29am:
Corrct me if I'm wrong, but from what I can see,your argument is that other people don't recognise the "dog whistle" that sets them off, but whoever represents your point of view doesn't even use the tactic? 


Hahahahha. Thats completely silly. What is my point of view? Im saying that the media uses dog whistles in support of the liberal party.
You can completely debunk this by providing me with the alternate words the supposed other media should use in place of those words that are supposed to be dog whistles.

SOB


yes, we've established that.  And do you also accept other media outlets use dog whistles in support of labor and other parties?


No. I do not. I havent seen any evidence of that. In fact I have seen them use the same ones as murdoch media. If I am wrong provide the alternate words they should have used for those supposed ones in post 12.

SOB


What is more likely - that 1 segment of the media exists outside all known laws of journalism and literature, or that your own statement:

Quote:
darkhall67 wrote Today at 10:18am:

Most times the dogs arent aware of what has set them off.

Exactly

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Includes you?  Think carefully about this.
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Reply #67 - May 17th, 2012 at 12:05pm
 
Honky wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 12:00pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 11:56am:
Honky wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 11:42am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 11:39am:
Honky wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 11:29am:
Corrct me if I'm wrong, but from what I can see,your argument is that other people don't recognise the "dog whistle" that sets them off, but whoever represents your point of view doesn't even use the tactic? 


Hahahahha. Thats completely silly. What is my point of view? Im saying that the media uses dog whistles in support of the liberal party.
You can completely debunk this by providing me with the alternate words the supposed other media should use in place of those words that are supposed to be dog whistles.

SOB


yes, we've established that.  And do you also accept other media outlets use dog whistles in support of labor and other parties?


No. I do not. I havent seen any evidence of that. In fact I have seen them use the same ones as murdoch media. If I am wrong provide the alternate words they should have used for those supposed ones in post 12.

SOB


What is more likely - that 1 segment of the media exists outside all known laws of journalism and literature, or that your own statement:

Quote:
darkhall67 wrote Today at 10:18am:

Most times the dogs arent aware of what has set them off.

Exactly

SOB


Includes you?  Think carefully about this.


You refuse to answer my question. Because you cant. Because its crap. It doesnt include me because I do not have a "party" or a preference except that i like abbott slightly less than gillard. Stop trying to push this off onto me. You are wrong unless you provide the words. Or do you still not understand the concept of dog whistles?

You may not know you are being whistled when it happens but if you understand the concept then you should realise after the fact.

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Reply #68 - May 17th, 2012 at 12:13pm
 
I see.  So the rules that bind every other human being on this earth don't apply to you.

Good O.  Glad we cleared that up then.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #69 - May 17th, 2012 at 12:15pm
 
Honky wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 12:13pm:
I see.  So the rules that bind every other human being on this earth don't apply to you.

Good O.  Glad we cleared that up then.  Roll Eyes


What rules? Hahahhaha why cant you answer the question?

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Reply #70 - May 17th, 2012 at 12:20pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 12:15pm:
Honky wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 12:13pm:
I see.  So the rules that bind every other human being on this earth don't apply to you.

Good O.  Glad we cleared that up then.  Roll Eyes


What rules? Hahahhaha why cant you answer the question?

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Do you think your opinions were just formed without any outside influence?  Just claiming that you're immune because you claim not to support any party doesn't change the fact that you have opinions on issues, which are then linked in various ways to these parties, thus influencing your opinion of them.   Rule number 1 - there is NO such thing as a neutral text.  EVERYTHING you see/hear/read has been imparted with some sort of bias by the author.
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Reply #71 - May 17th, 2012 at 12:29pm
 
Honky wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 12:20pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 12:15pm:
Honky wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 12:13pm:
I see.  So the rules that bind every other human being on this earth don't apply to you.

Good O.  Glad we cleared that up then.  Roll Eyes


What rules? Hahahhaha why cant you answer the question?

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Do you think your opinions were just formed without any outside influence?  Just claiming that you're immune because you claim not to support any party doesn't change the fact that you have opinions on issues, which are then linked in various ways to these parties, thus influencing your opinion of them.   Rule number 1 - there is NO such thing as a neutral text.  EVERYTHING you see/hear/read has been imparted with some sort of bias by the author. 


Of course we are but that's not the point (in my opinion).

We are talking about dog whistle journalsim.


dog whistles by their very nature are MOSTLY designed to appeal to the baser instincts, (yes that means racism , sexism, etc ) because those concepts are frowned upon in our society (rightly or wrongly - I think rightly) so the whistlers have to come up with tactics that arent as blatant as using sexist or racist language.


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Reply #72 - May 17th, 2012 at 12:30pm
 
Honky wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 12:20pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 12:15pm:
Honky wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 12:13pm:
I see.  So the rules that bind every other human being on this earth don't apply to you.

Good O.  Glad we cleared that up then.  Roll Eyes


What rules? Hahahhaha why cant you answer the question?

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Do you think your opinions were just formed without any outside influence?  Just claiming that you're immune because you claim not to support any party doesn't change the fact that you have opinions on issues, which are then linked in various ways to these parties, thus influencing your opinion of them.   Rule number 1 - there is NO such thing as a neutral text.  EVERYTHING you see/hear/read has been imparted with some sort of bias by the author. 


Hahaha. I didnt claim to be neutral. I said that i dont support either party.

When will you answer my question?

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Reply #73 - May 17th, 2012 at 12:32pm
 
for goodness sake what is your question you keep raving about?
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Reply #74 - May 17th, 2012 at 12:35pm
 
Honky wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 12:00pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 11:56am:
Honky wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 11:42am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 11:39am:
Honky wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 11:29am:
Corrct me if I'm wrong, but from what I can see,your argument is that other people don't recognise the "dog whistle" that sets them off, but whoever represents your point of view doesn't even use the tactic? 


Hahahahha. Thats completely silly. What is my point of view? Im saying that the media uses dog whistles in support of the liberal party.
You can completely debunk this by providing me with the alternate words the supposed other media should use in place of those words that are supposed to be dog whistles.

SOB


yes, we've established that.  And do you also accept other media outlets use dog whistles in support of labor and other parties?


No. I do not. I havent seen any evidence of that. In fact I have seen them use the same ones as murdoch media. If I am wrong provide the alternate words they should have used for those supposed ones in post 12.

SOB


What is more likely - that 1 segment of the media exists outside all known laws of journalism and literature, or that your own statement:

Quote:
darkhall67 wrote Today at 10:18am:

Most times the dogs arent aware of what has set them off.

Exactly

SOB


Includes you?  Think carefully about this.



Question is there

Quote:
If I am wrong provide the alternate words they should have used for those supposed ones in post 12
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