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May 12th, 2012 at 7:41am
 
# People on newstart, students and other young people on the youth allowance, and some sole parents excluded ... they have every right to be vocal about their financial lot.


No cost crisis, just hypochondria

Has there ever been a time when Australians didn't complain about the ''cost of living''? It is written in our DNA to moan that life is tough and getting tougher. If it's not the price of bananas and mortgage payments, other culprits will be blamed for casting us into Struggletown - childcare, petrol, electricity.

Life is indeed tough for some. But it's not true that life has got tougher, and that the federal Labor government is to blame. Most of us, including age pensioners and self-funded retirees, low, middle, and high income families have never been better off.

But politicians pander to the whingers, and the tabloid press incites discontent. It is political death, and probably death to newspaper circulation, to tell Australians they're a bunch of hypochondriacs whose pain is imagined or feigned. It's one of Labor's misfortunes that whinging about the cost of living has been elevated from a national sport into a national frenzy.

Labor knows the complaints are unfounded: the Rudd/Gillard record in containing the average annual growth in living costs to 2.9 per cent is as good as the Howard government's. But the government is indulging people's impressions of spiralling living costs with a $3.9 billion gift to families in the budget through increased family tax benefits and the bonus for schoolchildren.

The perception is not supported by the data. A recent analysis by Ben Phillips at the National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling examined trends in costs of living - and in our overall standard of living - going back to 1984.

No matter which way Phillips looked at it, for every type of household the story was the same. All groups were better off in the long term going back to 1984, and in the short term between 2003-04 and 2009-10. Rising household income has outstripped rising prices, and some prices have actually fallen.

Yes, petrol prices, mortgage payments, cigarettes, and electricity have gone up. But incomes have gone up faster and a whole lot of things have come down in price.

The shock of the electricity bill has the effect of erasing from people's memories that the last time they bought, say a pair of shoes, or a pair of undies, the items - amazingly - cost no more than they did 20 years ago. And wages and pension payments have gone up in real terms.

A couple with children has done particularly well in recent years. After taking into account cost of living rises that include mortgage payments, childcare, petrol and other big ticket items, they were on average still $328 a week better off in 2010 than in 2003. And since 2010, their circumstances have probably improved further given low inflation and steady wage increases.

Whether looking at household type, or income quintile (whether people fell in the bottom 20 per cent or top 20 per cent of income earners or in between), or whether they were renters, paying off a mortgage or owned their home outright, Phillips found each group was better off than the same group a few years ago, or in 1984.

The only exceptions to this good news story were unemployed people living on Newstart, students and other young people on the Youth Allowance, and some sole parents. Yet it is these groups, with genuine cost-of-living complaints, for whom there is little sympathy.

If people are feeling pressure, it may be because they want to do more and spend more than before. They live bigger lives: the Bali holiday rather than camping; private schools not public; restaurants rather than home-cooked meals. People spend more on recreation and sport, and use more childcare than they used to.

If families really were in Struggletown, more of them would be spending a greater proportion of their income on necessities such as food and electricity than on discretionary - or luxury - items, such as alcohol, airfares and restaurants. But that is not the case, as the AMP.Natsem report Prices These Days! makes clear.

Just because there is no cost of living crisis, it would be churlish to argue against giving families extra money, especially when the increases in family tax benefits announced in the budget were well-targeted. They deliver most to families on incomes below $50,000 up to middle income families around $80,000. These families, though better off than they used to be, fell behind the big earners in the decade's boom years.

Forget the spurious argument about cost of living pressures: the increases in family tax benefits strike a blow for a more egalitarian Australia, and for some reduction in child poverty. (The education bonuses, however, are less well-targeted).

Australia has one of the most generous family payment systems in the world for low and middle income families. A family with a breadwinner on a gross income of $43,000 with three teenagers gets about $21,869 in family payments - even before the latest largesse. A two-income family on $80,000 with three children gets about $10,000. As well, they will be overcompensated in the government's carbon tax package.

Will the latest cash injections stop the whingeing? Probably not. And lost - possibly for a decade or more - was the chance to significantly boost the incomes of single unemployed people whose life below the poverty line is really something to complain about.


http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/no-cost-crisis-just-hypochondr...
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Reply #1 - May 12th, 2012 at 7:54am
 
Australia is one of the most expensive places on the earth to live. It shouldn't be, after all it's not that grand.

Compared to Europe, our roads are goat tracks, so why do we have to pay so much for a little piece of Aussie land, after all there's plenty of it.

I think we're getting seriously ripped off.

The government have just come to realise this, hence they have put a stop to Aussies who choose to work here for 50 years, pay taxes and retire overseas to live like a king or queen.

No! You stay here and live like a pauper.

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Reply #2 - May 12th, 2012 at 8:20am
 
most of the whinging the last few years has come from the liberal voters .... an ungrateful lot they are
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Reply #3 - May 12th, 2012 at 8:29am
 
Johnsmith wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 8:20am:
most of the whinging the last few years has come from the liberal voters .... an ungrateful lot they are


Yeah, the Greens get them a reasonable? pension rise and they still whinge. There's no pleasing some people. Maybe they'd rather Abbott give the $35 increase to Clive and Gina.
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Reply #4 - May 12th, 2012 at 8:32am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 8:29am:
Johnsmith wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 8:20am:
most of the whinging the last few years has come from the liberal voters .... an ungrateful lot they are


Yeah, the Greens get them a reasonable? pension rise and they still whinge. There's no pleasing some people. Maybe they'd rather Abbott give the $35 increase to Clive and Gina.


I forgot about the greens because I got so used to it ... they whinge no matter who is in power ...
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Reply #5 - May 12th, 2012 at 8:33am
 
Yea we probably are but what the hell Wink
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Reply #6 - May 12th, 2012 at 10:36am
 
Yes. We have grown soft and too many people have an absurd sense of entitlement.
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Reply #7 - May 12th, 2012 at 10:44am
 
Whinging poms we are.

Mind you that carbon tax is going to hit a lot of low income ppl like the GST did. Its not like anyone of lower income is "compensated". only "families".

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Reply #8 - May 12th, 2012 at 12:03pm
 
Yeah all westerners whine, there a few cultures where its not really in their nature but everyone does it from time to time.

When you compare the stuff we whine about to other people in the world I can see why we may be perceived as that because a lot of the time it is fairly trivial crap.
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Reply #9 - May 12th, 2012 at 6:34pm
 
In Pakistan we have these whingers also.

People's village is wiped out in flood, they whinge. People's families are killed, they whinge. Peoples don't have enough to eat, whinge.

Always whinging. This, I think, is the nature of peoples.
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Reply #10 - May 12th, 2012 at 7:49pm
 
Karnal wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 6:34pm:
In Pakistan we have these whingers also.

People's village is wiped out in flood, they whinge. People's families are killed, they whinge. Peoples don't have enough to eat, whinge.

Always whinging. This, I think, is the nature of peoples.


You think that is bad. Wait till you break a nail.
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Reply #11 - May 13th, 2012 at 6:38pm
 
freediver wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 10:36am:
Yes. We have grown soft and too many people have an absurd sense of entitlement.

Here is a part of an article in the Week-end Australian, and this is why I think that Australians have a good reason to whinge.



Super had become a dream investment and tax shelter for the wealthy and even the middle-class, fuelled by reforms made by the previous government in its 2006 budget.
Those changes, including the abolition of tax on super payouts to the over-60s, made super a tax shelter and a vehicle for holding family wealth.
“Labor sees super as a cash cow to meet their budgetary requirements,” says a well-known super expert, Louise Biti.
This vast pot has proved lucrative for the financial institutions that run super funds who have a vested interest in protecting the rules that govern super, but they are not the only ones who think Labor might have gone too far.
Michael Rice, an independent actuary, says that the government has “gone overboard” in its super reforms.
“My view is that super should be to make people self-sufficient so we don’t have to rely on pensions,” he says.
“The government should be encouraging us to put more money in super to cut the cost of age pensions. It is discouraging many from doing this.”
Indeed, the budget papers show the largest spending item is income support for seniors through the age pension and veteran benefits.
Rice says the cost of this was $34.8 billion this year and grows to $36.8 billion next year – and to $44.9 billion in four years’ time.
But Cooper says while government tinkering to balance the books is a minus, people have to accept that some change is necessary.
“There is no doubt that in a perfect world you would not keep making those sorts of changes but we live in the real world and because super is so large and the tax concessions are large, these minor tweaks are attractive in balancing budgets,” he says.
The task of saving a sum sufficient to last a whole retirement shouldn’t be under-estimated, even if it’s a figure that provides an income that is higher than the
paltry cash flow from the government age pension.
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Reply #12 - May 13th, 2012 at 8:39pm
 
Everyone wants to be Scrooge. Does anyone have the phone numbers for the Three Spirits of Christmas?

Karnal wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 6:34pm:
In Pakistan we have these whingers also.

People's village is wiped out in flood, they whinge. People's families are killed, they whinge. Peoples don't have enough to eat, whinge.

Always whinging. This, I think, is the nature of peoples.


Human beings are whingers. That's the difference between us and higher beings. They live in heaven, we live in dystopia, wah wah wah.

I was thinking........

How about the guy who shot 30 people at Virginia Tech? This guy was whinging about whingers.

http://voices.yahoo.com/virginia-techs-shooters-last-words-discovered-nbc-308608...

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Your Mercedes wasn't enough, you brats. Your golden necklaces weren't enough, you snobs. Your trust funds wasn't enough. Your vodka and cognac wasn't enough. All your debaucheries weren't enough. Those weren't enough to fulfill your hedonistic needs. Those weren't enough to fulfill your hedonistic needs. You had everything.


This is where his rant gets interesting:

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1549093/The-killers-rant.html

You have vandalised my heart, raped my soul and torched my conscience. You thought it was one pathetic boy's life you were extinguishing. Thanks to you, I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and the defenceless people.

Do you know what it feels to be spit on your face and to have trash shoved down your throat? Do you know what it feels like to dig your own grave? Do you know what it feels like to have throat slashed from ear to ear? Do you know what it feels like to be torched alive? Do you know what it feels like to be humiliated and be impaled upon on a cross? And left to bleed to death for your amusement?

You have never felt a single ounce of pain your whole life. Did you want to inject as much misery in our lives as you can just because you can? I didn't have to do this. I could have left. I could have fled. But no, I will no longer run. It's not for me. For my children, for my brothers and sisters that you *****. I did it for them. When the time came I did it. I had to.


Classic stuff. Cheesy Cheesy Grin


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