Quote:My opposition to this is based on the fact that its public money for public kids.
So it is a purely semantic issue with no practical concerns?
Quote:I did put forth an idea earlier that getting rid of private schools altogether would solve the problem. It would wouldn't it. All the money would then go to public schools where they can invest more in education.
It depends how you define the problem. Your 'solution' would leave everyone worse off, because all children would end up with a lower value education. If getting a worse education for every child is your idea of a solution to some silly semantic problem, then so be it.
Quote:This is not about the costs (AS I SAID BEFORE) though. If it costs more to do education the right way then why not invest in our future?
Ending the subsidies would make all children worse off regardless of the total amount spent on education by the government. In this sense the issue can be entirely separated from the total amount spent. The same argument would apply if we increased or decreased the education budget.
Quote:you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time (wrongly mostly) trying to analyse ppl you disagree with instead of providing factual arguments
Wrong. I spend an inordinate amount of time repeating the same very basic argument about costs to people who seem completely oblivious to it and don't respond to it. So do several other members. We have actually been incredibly patient with you. I still cannot tell whether you are even aware of what I am saying to you. The evidence indicates you are not.
The factual arguments I have made in this post I have made at least a dozen times previously in this thread. Every single time they were ignored and instead you and others responded with some simple minded BS like 'private means private'. If you keep wasting evereyone's time like that I am going to call you on it. It should not take a dozen pages of debate to get you to respond to my very first point - the same argument made by several other people here also.
Quote:Oh one last thing. We havent seen any evidence yet that private schools are any better than public ones. Just because they cost more doesn't mean they are better.
I do not recall anyone here basing their argument on private schools providing a higher quality education. It has always been some very basic maths about dollars per student.
Again, try reading the very simple argument we are putting to you over and over again. If you don;t understand it, say so, don't just ignore it and repeat your silly blather about private means private as a substitute for engaging in debate.
Quote:Kids shouldn't be over protected from competent and sometime crucial modern society. They should understand how difficult it would be to make a better life when they grow up.
Sure, as a generalisation, but not when they are 3 years old.
Quote:If there was no government subsidisation of private schooling then either one of two choices could be made by the parents.
Yes, that is correct, but you are only half way there. What do you think is the consequence of all those children moving to the public system - it means that an education that was previously only partly subsidised by the government is now completely subsidised. That means less money spent per student.
The fact is that for most parents, the costs are a serious burden and they would not use private education if they had to pay the full amount.
Quote:I cannot see why anybody should pay taxes to subsidise another childs education in a manner that the parents would like.
I am not sure what logic you are trying to put together here, but private school parents also pay tax towards educating children. You assert that there is something wrong with all children getting something out of that, but have presented no rational argument.
Quote:There is public transport and their is private transport - I wouldn't expect anybody to subsidise my transport in a private vehicle - especially if all hey could afford is public trasport
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Yet that is exactly what happens. Enourmous amounts of money from the taxpayer get spent on roads that are provided for free for private use.
Quote:There is a definite fund savings advantage by funding less infrastructure (duplication).
Private schools tend to be in areas where there are lots of schools around anyway, so there is no additional duplication of infrastructure.
Quote:ie it is more wishful thinking that the few who benefit from this favouritism has some positive benefit for the wider public.
It is not wishful thinking. It is fact. Every student in private school means one less in a public school, which means very real cost savings. Unless you think money grows on trees then this is a real benefit.
Quote:I firmly believe that each child should recieve exactly the same token amount from the government - by way of a nominal annual grant, only redeemable by the chosen school of choice - that is submitted to the parents choice of schooling. That way the TOTAL funding amount allocated to education for all private and public schools is simply divided by the number of school age children and the amount is calculated.
You are contradicting yourself here Dooley. Now you are saying private schools should get more subsidies.