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Reply #15 - May 4th, 2012 at 5:33pm
 
When women get PMT they can change into monsters.
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Reply #16 - May 4th, 2012 at 5:37pm
 
Honky wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 5:26pm:
4. Islamic fighters rarely surrender to female soldiers.

Never heard this as a reaosn before.  If you have to make up reasons to debunk, just don't bother.




Actually, that one's not made up.  It's quite well known (and often quoted).

It's discussed in an old book by Dave Grossman, called 'On Killing'.

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Reply #17 - May 4th, 2012 at 5:41pm
 
Uncle Meat wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 5:37pm:
Honky wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 5:26pm:
4. Islamic fighters rarely surrender to female soldiers.

Never heard this as a reaosn before.  If you have to make up reasons to debunk, just don't bother.




Actually, that one's not made up.  It's quite well known (and often quoted).

It's discussed in an old book by Dave Grossman, called 'On Killing'.




regardless, it's a silly reason.
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Reply #18 - May 4th, 2012 at 5:44pm
 
Sir Bobby wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 5:33pm:
When women get PMT they can change into monsters.



All they need to do is provide the male soldiers with these:

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And the female soldiers with these:

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Reply #19 - May 4th, 2012 at 5:51pm
 


I see the usual leftards writing their opinion from a point of total ignorance.


Well done, you made me waste 3 minutes of my life trying to find a cogent point.  Angry


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Reply #20 - May 4th, 2012 at 5:55pm
 
Honky wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 5:41pm:
Uncle Meat wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 5:37pm:
Honky wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 5:26pm:
4. Islamic fighters rarely surrender to female soldiers.

Never heard this as a reaosn before.  If you have to make up reasons to debunk, just don't bother.




Actually, that one's not made up.  It's quite well known (and often quoted).

It's discussed in an old book by Dave Grossman, called 'On Killing'.




regardless, it's a silly reason. 


I tend to agree with you.

Anyway, for those interested:

"In On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society, Lt. Col. Dave Grossman ...

"Grossman also notes that Islamic militants rarely, if ever, surrender to female soldiers. In modern warfare where intelligence is perhaps more important than enemy casualties, every factor, even making concessions to sexism, reducing combatants' willingness to fight is considered. Similarly, Iraqi and Afghani civilians are often not intimidated by female soldiers. However, in such environments, having female soldiers serving within a combat unit does have the advantage of allowing for searches on female civilians, and in some cases the female areas of segregated mosques, while causing less offense amongst the occupied population. A notable example of this would be the so-called "Lionesses," female US military personnel who are specially selected to participate in patrols and raids for this purpose."




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Reply #21 - May 4th, 2012 at 6:00pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 5:51pm:
Well done, you made me waste 3 minutes of my life trying to find a cogent point.  Angry



A bitter old right winger, "living" in Townsville?

Seems you've wasted most of your life anyway.  Another 3 minutes isn't going to make much difference.
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Reply #22 - May 4th, 2012 at 6:06pm
 
Uncle Meat wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 6:00pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 5:51pm:
Well done, you made me waste 3 minutes of my life trying to find a cogent point.  Angry



A bitter old right winger, "living" in Townsville?

Seems you've wasted most of your life anyway.  Another 3 minutes isn't going to make much difference.




Kudos meat, you're a gem in the rough of inanity.  Grin


Pls tell us about your time in uniform from which you have formulated your 'expert' opinion.  Grin


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Reply #23 - May 4th, 2012 at 6:09pm
 
Honky wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 5:26pm:
Uncle Meat wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 4:58pm:
Honky wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 4:48pm:
Amazing how you grasp the fact these issues exist, yet dismiss them with a roll of your eyes. 

But as part of female-only units, sure.  why not?



Here, this guy gives a bit more than a roll of the eyes:

http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/arguments-against-women-on-the-front-line-and-why...



Not very impressive. 

1. Women aren’t as strong as men!

True - does anyone dispute this?  Doesn't matter for pulling the trigger, but tends to become a problem on 30km march with full kit. 

2. Women are more likely to get raped.

I agree Thats not much of a reason, so long as she knows the risk.

3. But they’ll get their period!

mock all you like "mamamia" irrational behaviour will go a good way to getting you and your colleagues killed.

4. Islamic fighters rarely surrender to female soldiers.

Never heard this as a reaosn before.  If you have to make up reasons to debunk, just don't bother.

5. Having women in troops will ruin the ‘mateship’ in the ranks and lower morale.

yes, undoubtedly.  But could be overcome with female-only units.

6. But what if the women start up romances, or get pregnant?

groups of men tend to get disgruntled when people around them are getting laid and they're not.   And if more than one is rooting the same shiela - look out.


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1. Women aren’t as strong as men!

True - does anyone dispute this?  Doesn't matter for pulling the trigger, but tends to become a problem on 30km march with full kit.


The women that have been through basic training and all the exercises to get to front line duty are obviously capable of the job. Saying women arent as strong as men is a stereotype and not true for all.

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Reply #24 - May 4th, 2012 at 6:22pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 6:09pm:
The women that have been through basic training and all the exercises to get to front line duty are obviously capable of the job. Saying women arent as strong as men is a stereotype and not true for all.

SOB




Women not being as strong as men is not a stereotype, it's a biological fact.

I can see your military experience comes from playing Call to Duty 4 and not much else, so here are some facts.

A soldier goes through a bit more than basic training before they get to be called a soldier. The job is hard enough for most males and near impossible for females.

Sh1t the last time labor had one of these brilliant plans, all it did was lower the standards required for males, just so the females could say they were 'equal' and we ended up with lesser males getting through the system.

These social experiments are best kept to the 'arts' departments of our more progressive universities and leave the job of killing to those who can do it properly.

It's just another labor party distraction to divert the ADHD labor faithful from the disaster that is the current government.

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Re: Should women be allowed to fight on the front line
Reply #25 - May 4th, 2012 at 6:29pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 6:06pm:
Uncle Meat wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 6:00pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 5:51pm:
Well done, you made me waste 3 minutes of my life trying to find a cogent point.  Angry



A bitter old right winger, "living" in Townsville?

Seems you've wasted most of your life anyway.  Another 3 minutes isn't going to make much difference.




Kudos meat, you're a gem in the rough of inanity.  Grin


Pls tell us about your time in uniform from which you have formulated your 'expert' opinion.  Grin



Tell you?  I'll do better than that, I'll show you:

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Reply #26 - May 4th, 2012 at 6:32pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 6:22pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 6:09pm:
The women that have been through basic training and all the exercises to get to front line duty are obviously capable of the job. Saying women arent as strong as men is a stereotype and not true for all.

SOB




Women not being as strong as men is not a stereotype, it's a biological fact.

I can see your military experience comes from playing Call to Duty 4 and not much else, so here are some facts.

A soldier goes through a bit more than basic training before they get to be called a soldier. The job is hard enough for most males and near impossible for females.

Sh1t the last time labor had one of these brilliant plans, all it did was lower the standards required for males, just so the females could say they were 'equal' and we ended up with lesser males getting through the system.

These social experiments are best kept to the 'arts' departments of our more progressive universities and leave the job of killing to those who can do it properly.

It's just another labor party distraction to divert the ADHD labor faithful from the disaster that is the current government.



Read what i said. I said basic traing AND ALL THE EXERCISES NEEDED jesus. I never claimed any "military experience" so your insults are lost on me there because you have no idea if i have or not.

It is a stereotype. SOME women are as strong and even stronger than SOME men. Jesus.

What has it got to do with labour? Either party would do this because its a natural progression in human rights. Everyone should have the chance to die.

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Reply #27 - May 4th, 2012 at 7:07pm
 
Honky wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 5:26pm:
2. Women are more likely to get raped.

I agree Thats not much of a reason, so long as she knows the risk.


If they're raped, you rape them back!!!!

Honky wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 5:26pm:
4. Islamic fighters rarely surrender to female soldiers.

Never heard this as a reaosn before.  If you have to make up reasons to debunk, just don't bother.


Islamic fighters are more like to think of them as a bunch of corrupt Western female whores who don't have the modesty to wear hijab. Muslims tend to have a different concept of nakedness. They'd look like supermodels in comparison.

Honky wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 5:26pm:
5. Having women in troops will ruin the ‘mateship’ in the ranks and lower morale.

yes, undoubtedly.  But could be overcome with female-only units.


agree -- segregate the two sexes in the front-lines.

If I was a soldier and I found myself with a female, I'd be thinking, wow what a wonderful face and wonderful voice. I don't what this one to get hurt. She'd probably be thinking the same thing about my groin.

Honky wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 5:26pm:
groups of men tend to get disgruntled when people around them are getting laid and they're not.   And if more than one is rooting the same shiela - look out.


Is it really that big of a deal who gets the girls? I would much rather not be around them because of the pheromones and seduction. It would be easier to concentrate when they're not around.

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Reply #28 - May 4th, 2012 at 7:22pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 6:32pm:
It is a stereotype. SOME women are as strong and even stronger than SOME men. Jesus.



Yes, but those men are what we in the business refer to as 'wusses" (among other terms)  They won't pass the basic requirements of the army, and should really consider handing back their Y chromosome.  They are irrelevant to both this argument, and life in general.

Although strength isn't the right measure, as a baalnce is needed between strength and endurance.  There are 6 foot 5, 200kg "women" in the world who have the strength you'd expect of someone their size.  But, it ain't much good if you've also got the endurance associated with someone that size. 

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Reply #29 - May 4th, 2012 at 7:47pm
 
Uncle Meat wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 5:37pm:
Honky wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 5:26pm:
4. Islamic fighters rarely surrender to female soldiers.

Never heard this as a reaosn before.  If you have to make up reasons to debunk, just don't bother.




Actually, that one's not made up.  It's quite well known (and often quoted).

It's discussed in an old book by Dave Grossman, called 'On Killing'.



That's because Islam permits them to rape them. But they have to win first.

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Women not being as strong as men is not a stereotype, it's a biological fact.


So only choose the strong ones. Problem solved.
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