Quote:A woman in Islam has the right to refuse to have sex with her husband, but it's frowned upon. If she has the right to refuse, obviously raping her is not permissable.
If raping her is not punished, does that mean it is legal and permissible?
It seems Falah was a bit more generous with the truth on this issue in the past:
falah wrote on Mar 4
th, 2012 at 12:16pm:
Forced sex in marriage is not a punishable offence in Islam.
Falah, is forced sex in marriage rape?
Here is an interesting opinion from Falah about the role of consent in marital sex:
falah wrote on Mar 4
th, 2012 at 7:57pm:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Mar 4
th, 2012 at 6:52pm:
Okay.
Falah can you explain what you meant?
When you marry someone, you have a duty to care for them. This includes satisfying their sexual needs. Therefore, if you don't want to have sex with somebody, then you shouldn't marry them.
falah wrote on Mar 5
th, 2012 at 9:39pm:
Quote:When you marry someone, you have a duty to care for them. This includes satisfying their sexual needs. Therefore, if you don't want to have sex with somebody, then you shouldn't marry them.
What if you want to have sex with them occasionally, when both of you consent, rather than becoming their sex slave.
Isn't it selfish to deny your partner sex? Afterall sex doesn't cost you anything. [/quote]
freediver wrote on Mar 4
th, 2012 at 9:52pm:
is that just western nonsense, like falling in love before you get married?
You mean try before you buy? Yes that is nonsense, and it is not what God wants from human beings. [/quote]
Marrying someone you are not in love with, denying the need for consent and not punishing marital rape is obviously a bad mix.
falah wrote on Mar 19
th, 2012 at 10:54am:
If a man says "He does not feel like going out to work and providing for his family" do we accept this?
If a woman refuses sex to her husband then she has wronged him. Afterall, it would cost her nothing to do so.
However, there is no evidence in Islam o suggest that forcing people to have sex is permitted.
Falah, can you explain the apparent contradiction between saying that rape is not a punishable offense and saying there is no evidence it is permissible?
Quote:Islam does not order a punishment for every single sin, transgression, or wrongdoing. There are some things which are left to God to decide guilt and punishment on the Day of Judgement.
Does that include raping your wife?
Given that you get stoned to death for adultery, that's an unusual set of standards don't you think?
Quote:Is there any religion which orders a punishment for raping your wife?
Most religions do not double as legal systems and are not a barrier to secular laws that set a higher standard than in the past. Islam does. Are you now supporting the rejection of Islamic law in governance? Or is this another red herring to avoid giving a straight answer?
Quote:Can you define what you mean by consent?
I am happy to go with the common definition, or as applied under Australian law.
Quote:If a wife does not object, do you consider that consent?
Sure. Unless she is unconscious or something like that, and provided she is not denied the right and opportunity to object. I don't know why this is an issue. It should be obvious whether a woman consents to sex. Are you trying to avoid the question, or do you not know what consent or rape is?