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Reply #15 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 9:35am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 9:28am:
glee wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 9:24am:
How many US presidents have refused to meet the Dalai Lama - at China's insistence?
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Presidents in recent history who have met the Dalai Lama -

Barack Obama
George W Bush
William J Clinton
George H W Bush


George W Bush met the Dalai Lama in the Rotunda on Capitol Hill when the USA presented him with the Congressional Medal of Freedom.

Yeah - practicing and preaching....

and many times they refused or cancelled at the last minute.  Even you would have to agree that the US has no definite policy regarding supporting Tibet and the Dalai Lama and are just as tied to China's response as any other country.
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Reply #16 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 9:39am
 
Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 6:37am:
Why do we always end up with the dregs of American society? Schoolgirls in Darwin, be warned, don't go out alone.


There is a British lady at work who only has good things to say about American soldiers.
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Reply #17 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 9:42am
 
By the way, without being too idealistic but this country is more than just a country.

America is an idea, its the shining city on the hill - the place people aspire to and to be a part.
It represents freedom, hope and democracy.

No matter where you are in the world, people know America and they want to be it.
It's the place of Coca-Cola, McDonalds, Nike, MTV etc

If you are in the Arab world, the jungles of Honduras, the middle of Niger or Chad, Singapore etc - they all have the culture of the United States and look to it.

The country is a beacon and an ideology.

Long may that remain the case.

People will never look to the People's Republic of China for such leadership.
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Reply #18 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 9:46am
 
You obviously fail to understand the term improving.

I have condemned China's practices, now it's your turn to acknowledge America's disregard for human rights or I have every right to call you hypocritical.
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Reply #19 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 9:51am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 9:42am:
By the way, without being too idealistic but this country is more than just a country.

America is an idea, its the shining city on the hill - the place people aspire to and to be a part.
It represents freedom, hope and democracy.

No matter where you are in the world, people know America and they want to be it.
It's the place of Coca-Cola, McDonalds, Nike, MTV etc

If you are in the Arab world, the jungles of Honduras, the middle of Niger or Chad, Singapore etc - they all have the culture of the United States and look to it.

The country is a beacon and an ideology.

Long may that remain the case.

People will never look to the People's Republic of China for such leadership.



If so many nations wanted to follow America's idealism, why are so many nations hating them?

Democracy is a French idea and the hamburgers are a German thing and freedom doesn't exist in America.

Isn't everyone in America about to be followed and monitored by the establishment? Freedom American style lol
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Reply #20 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 9:59am
 
Puts it better than anyone ever has -

"I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever communicated what I saw when I said it.

But in my mind it was a tall proud city, built on rocks stronger than oceans, wind-swept, God blessed and teeming with people of all kinds, living in harmony and peace. And if this city had to have walls, the walls had doors and these doors were open to anyone with the will and heart to get here.

That's how I saw it and see it still.

And how stands the city on this winter night?

More prosperous, more secure and happier than it was eight years ago. But more than that after 200 years, she still stands strong and true on the granite bridge and her glow is held steady no matter what the storm.

And she's still a beacon, still a magnet for all those who look to it and must have freedom.

I tell you what we've done our part and as I walk off into the city street, a final word to the men and women of the Reagan revolution, who for 8 years did the work that brought America back.

My friends we did it, we weren't just marking time, we made a difference, we made the city stronger, we made the city free-er and we leave her in good hands.
All in all, not bad. Not bad at all.

And so goodbye, God bless you and God bless this United States of America"



Ronald Reagan
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Reply #21 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 10:24am
 
An Oscar for Reagan's performance in that one. He wasn't such a bad actor after all, that was almost believable, then we remember it was acting.
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Reply #22 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 10:27am
 
Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 6:37am:
Schoolgirls in Darwin, be warned, don't go out alone.


Yep, watch out for tanks driving on the right side of the road. Don't get crushed! Grin Cheesy

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 9:42am:
America is an idea, its the shining city on the hill - the place people aspire to and to be a part. It represents freedom, hope and democracy.


The U.S. hasn't always supported democracy. There are countries that the U.S. government supports whose governments aren't democratic.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 9:42am:
People will never look to the People's Republic of China for such leadership.


It's not like every country in the world is lining up for "Western democracy." Many Middle-Eastern (like Iran, Syria, Egypt, Jordan) and socialist countries (like Cuba) have elections and "democracy" but they are not like our's.

South-East Asian countries have democracies, but they also have capital punishment. An ethnically Asian Australian was executed in Singapore for taking drugs into an airport. Even the USA still has capital punishment in some States. Some of these SE Asian countries still have monarchs and if you criticise the king, expect to be executed or thrown into jail (I think it's Thailand).

Many of these countries demand "tough leaders," leaders who don't hesitate to intimidate, bully and blackmail others to get what they want, and it isn't inconceivable for China to start influencing these countries more than the USA. The Chinese government has a "strong face" that it presents to its people and to the world and this "strong face" seems to be behind its success. China's GDP has been growing steadily for several decades now. It's a result of "strong leadership." When a particular ideology is repeated often enough and its results are consistently and positively proven, that's enough for people to be converted and to continue to support it.

If the USA was to suffer a major military defeat in Asia and its military power was significantly weakened, China would start having more influence in the region. Its political philosophy would start influencing governments in Asia. People would forget about American freedom and start thinking about Chinese toughness. Democracy would cease to be seen as a path to justice and people will instead call for strong leadership with an iron grip.

Western democracy is over-rated. It isn't as if American democracy doesn't have its problems, like religious fundamentalism dominating or interfering with its politics. When politicians start talking about Jesus, how the country is "Christian" or opposing gay-marriage, you've got a problem. I don't know why Christianity keeps getting mixed up with the affairs of state. Blame the Roman Emperor Constantine.

You underestimate the power of the dark side.
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Reply #23 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 12:15pm
 
>>When a particular ideology is repeated often enough and its results are consistently and positively proven, that's enough for people to be converted and to continue to support it.<<

North Korea springs to mind...
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Reply #24 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 12:38pm
 
LifeMasque wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 12:15pm:
>>When a particular ideology is repeated often enough and its results are consistently and positively proven, that's enough for people to be converted and to continue to support it.<<

North Korea springs to mind...


Ppl have to be gullible in the first place.

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Reply #25 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 1:01pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 9:59am:
Puts it better than anyone ever has -

[i]"I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever communicated what I saw when I said it.

But in my mind it was...More prosperous, more secure and happier than it was eight years ago...My friends we did it, we weren't just marking time, we made a difference...


Ronald Reagan
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Reagan = Sherriff of Nottingham





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Reply #26 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 4:02pm
 
Come on down! Perhaps we can put you in Coastal Patrol boats and you can help keep these uninvited guests away.
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Reply #27 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 4:05pm
 
Welcome Americans!
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Reply #28 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 6:20pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 12:38pm:
Ppl have to be gullible in the first place.


All you have to do is eliminate the social/political infrastructure that prevents such gullibility from taking place: independent media, Constitution protecting human rights and supporting free speech, separation of powers, independent judiciary/courts, Miranda rights, limited arrest/search/interrogation powers for the police, privacy laws, a government open to public scrutiny and an education system that teaches people to think for themselves rather than indoctrinating them with nationalism and jingoism.

The people can't do anything against state propaganda if the system works against them.

It isn't actually that hard to throw democracy out the window. Once you establish an iron grip on society, censor all sensitive information from the media and create a National Internet Firewall, all you have to do is eliminate the older generation -- those who remember what things were like before the iron grip started. The younger generation will grow up believing the lies. This is what happened in the last 20 years after Tiananmen Square. It's that easy. It's even easier when people don't want to know the truth.

Examples include the Great Omission from Japanese textbooks and the Great Firewall of China.

How many of us know what life was like 20-50 years ago? I can only find out from TV depictions, history books and informative web pages and YouTube videos.

The easiest way to get rid of democracy is to just turn off the Internet, close down all the media, all universities and replace them with organisations you trust will tell the people what you want. If a message is repeated often enough, people will then start believing it. Wait 20-50 years and see what happens. The fact that we need to be kept up-to-date with things just shows how easy it is to create misinformation.
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Reply #29 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 7:01pm
 
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a government open to public scrutiny and an education system that teaches people to think for themselves rather than indoctrinating them with nationalism and jingoism.


And what if people consciously choose to be nationalists or jingoists?



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