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Reply #15 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:27pm

The problem is not so much about police but involves weak sentencing law, racism, and poor education resources and outcomes in the lower socio-economic areas of Australia.
The dismepowerment of fathers in Western society is also a problem.

Solution:
1. Have sentences that actually deter crime.
2. Improve schools in Indigenous and lower-socioeconimic areas.
3. Ensure that fathers have access to their children, and are allowed to use corporal punishment when necessary.

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Reply #16 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:34pm

chimera wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:17pm:

red baron was right. the thread is saturated. I'm against hanging police, too.

Is that saturated like the Slipper threads or the anti ETS threads or the Julia threads, take the opinion to where someone cares the feedback board.

The underlying issues are huge. Social issues, youth issues, aboriginal issues, kings cross, police culture, failing laws that don't achieve what they are meant to, legal system that is out of sync with the police, massively under resourced police force, dysfunctional political system. When 50 years of evidence proves conclusively that prohibition of drugs has been a complete and catastrophic failure but any idea of doing something different or even discussing it is frozen out by politicians you have to ask who is corrupt and why?

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Reply #17 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:40pm

falah wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:27pm:

The dismepowerment of fathers in Western society is also a problem.
3. Ensure that fathers have access to their children, and are allowed to use corporal punishment when necessary.

Girls must be under fathers' power, like wives, and punished if they ger raped and poke their nose through the burqa.
Governments must be ruled by Mohammed, bless the old criminal camel-train killer. Islam prevents coruption in government.

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Reply #18 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:52pm

chimera wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:40pm:

falah wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:27pm:

The dismepowerment of fathers in Western society is also a problem.
3. Ensure that fathers have access to their children, and are allowed to use corporal punishment when necessary.

Girls must be under fathers' power, like wives, and punished if they ger raped

Only a sick mind would come with such a statment. People like you should not be allowed to live in Australia.

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Reply #19 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:53pm

falah wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:27pm:

Solution:
1. Have sentences that actually deter crime. [/quote]

It has been proven that harsher sentencing does not work as a deterent. If you want whipping returned then that might scare a few away.

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2. Improve schools in Indigenous and lower-socioeconimic areas.

I agree that education is the key to the improvement of the situation, but you are clearly naive to the realities of this. Poor education is not just due to restricted access to education.

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3. Ensure that fathers have access to their children, and are allowed to use corporal punishment when necessary.

I agree parents need to take much clearer responsibility for their children and should be responsible to the courts for their children's actions but letting their dads beat them is not that answer.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47479 At my desk.	Re: Hysteria as cops make innocents the priority Reply #20 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:57pm Quote: It has been proven that harsher sentencing does not work as a deterent. If you want whipping returned then that might scare a few away. Falah wants people stoned to death for having sex with the wrong person. (But it is OK to rape your wife).
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Reply #21 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:58pm

nairbe wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:53pm:

falah wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:27pm:

Solution:
1. Have sentences that actually deter crime.

It has been proven that harsher sentencing does not work as a deterent. If you want whipping returned then that might scare a few away.

Really? How was this "proven"?

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Reply #22 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:58pm

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:57pm:

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It has been proven that harsher sentencing does not work as a deterent. If you want whipping returned then that might scare a few away.

Falah wants people stoned to death for having sex with the wrong person. (But it is OK to rape your wife).

More of your lies Freediver? Don't you have any shame?

What I notice is that you like to lie about Muslims and Islam, while ignoring things like an Israeli Defence Force rabbi saying that Israeli soldiers can rape women, or newspaper reports of Orthodox Jewish rabbis suck babys' penises in their rituals.

Freediver, are you working for Mossad?

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Reply #23 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 2:03pm

Falah, what is the proper Islamic punishment for Adultery?

Or are you referring to the 'rape your wife' thing because you don't think this is possible. We have explained to you what rape is already. Sex without consent is still rape, even if it is your own wife that you are raping. Just because Islam legalises rape does not mean it ceases to be rape.

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Reply #24 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 2:07pm

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 2:03pm:

Falah, what is the proper Islamic punishment for Adultery?

Or are you referring to the 'rape your wife' thing because you don't think this is possible. We have explained to you what rape is already. Sex without consent is still rape, even if it is your own wife that you are raping. Just because Islam legalises rape does not mean it ceases to be rape.

Freediver, you know you are a habitual liar.

Can you show me where Islam "legalises rape" or where I said it is "OK to rape your wife"?

If not, be known for the liar that you clearly are.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47479 At my desk.	Re: Hysteria as cops make innocents the priority Reply #25 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 2:08pm How Falah squirms out of the his support for legalised rape by claiming that no means yes: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1335585972
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Reply #26 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 2:18pm

Like everyone on this planet apart from lunatics and psychopaths most Muslims are as appalled by rape and the abuse of women and children as anyone else.
Only fundamentalists take the Koran the Bible or any other ancient religious script word for word literally and most people who consider themselves Muslim, Christian, Hindu etc are not fundamentalists.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47479 At my desk.	Re: Hysteria as cops make innocents the priority Reply #27 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 2:21pm Falah is appalled by it too. He just doesn't think you should be punished for raping your wife. He also appears to think that constantly accusing someone of lying is a substitute for a rational argument or a straight answer.
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Reply #28 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 2:29pm

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 2:08pm:

How Falah squirms out of the his support for legalised rape by claiming that no means yes:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1335585972

More lies from Freediver? Aren't you embarrassed enough yet to have so many of your lies exposed?

The link you provided does not state what you claim.

Anyone who follows the link will see this.

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Reply #29 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 3:00pm

falah wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:58pm:

nairbe wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:53pm:

falah wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:27pm:

Solution:
1. Have sentences that actually deter crime.

It has been proven that harsher sentencing does not work as a deterent. If you want whipping returned then that might scare a few away.

Really? How was this "proven"?

Because for the past thirty years we have been progressively making our sentencing tougher and tougher but crime has risen. We have made it a terrible crime to smoke pot or grow a few plants so now bikie gangs and organised crime give us GHB instead. Because we bomb the living poo out of fundamentalist terrorists and simply create more of them. it is the development of social change that is hardest to achieve and the very thing politicians will avoid because all the right wing loops scream that it is interference, government should not be involved simply so they can exploit the population for their own greed then blame government for social erosion.

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