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Reply #45 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 10:18pm

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freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:57pm:

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It has been proven that harsher sentencing does not work as a deterent. If you want whipping returned then that might scare a few away.

Falah wants people stoned to death for having sex with the wrong person. (But it is OK to rape your wife).

More of your lies Freediver? Don't you have any shame?

What I notice is that you like to lie about Muslims and Islam, while ignoring things like an Israeli Defence Force rabbi saying that Israeli soldiers can rape women, or newspaper reports of Orthodox Jewish rabbis suck babys' penises in their rituals.

Freediver, are you working for Mossad?

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 4:11pm:

falah wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 2:29pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 2:08pm:

How Falah squirms out of the his support for legalised rape by claiming that no means yes:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1335585972

More lies from Freediver? Aren't you embarrassed enough yet to have so many of your lies exposed?

The link you provided does not state what you claim.

Anyone who follows the link will see this.

Do you still insist I am lying Falah? Do you ever feel ashamed about your hypocrisy?

falah wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 12:16pm:

Forced sex in marriage is not a punishable offence in Islam.

Not punishable meaning not punishable in this life. It does not mean that it is permissable or would not be punished by God in the Hereafter.

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O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will, and you should not treat them with harshness...And live with them with kindness!
[Noble Quran, An-Nisaa', v. 19]

Diobeying God is a punishable offence in the Hereafter:

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And whosoever disobeys God and His Messenger, and transgresses His limits, He will cast him into the Fire, to abide therein; and he shall have a disgraceful torment.
[Noble Quran, Aali Imraan, v. 152]

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And whosoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, and transgresses His limits, He will cast him into the Fire, to abide therein; and he shall have a disgraceful torment.
[Noble Quran, An-Nisaa', v. 14]

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50566 At my desk.	Re: Hysteria as cops make innocents the priority Reply #46 - Apr 28^th, 2012 at 11:01pm Quote: Not punishable meaning not punishable in this life. In other words, rape is legal in Islam?
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Reply #47 - Apr 29^th, 2012 at 2:01am

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 11:01pm:

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Not punishable meaning not punishable in this life.

In other words, rape is legal in Islam?

In the science of hadeeth rape is a transmogrification of pear, and therefore 'just a few tears and everything'll be apples.'

I can't help wondering that if god's going to deal with rape, he might as well deal with everything else.

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Reply #48 - Apr 29^th, 2012 at 8:15am

Mohammed's daughter Fatima was the ancestor of the Mahdi world-ruler who will organise true believers to rule everyone. Under Pakistan’s shari’a-based hudud ordinances, a rape victim is required to present four male Muslim witnesses . True believers, the 4 men stand and watch the rape to confirm it's forced not willing. Nice.
Forced sex in marriage is not a punishable offence in Islam.
Rape outside marriage is punishable, Fatima's friends get stoned.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50566 At my desk.	Re: Hysteria as cops make innocents the priority Reply #49 - Apr 29^th, 2012 at 9:13am Just to put the punishment for rape into perspective, consensual sex can be punished with being stoned to death.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50566 At my desk.	Re: Hysteria as cops make innocents the priority Reply #50 - Apr 29^th, 2012 at 12:45pm falah wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 12:34pm: Somehow in this society, it has beccome fashionable to think that a wife has the right to deny her husband sex, yet hypocritically, society would be outraged if a husband fed denied his wife food or clothing.
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Reply #51 - Apr 29^th, 2012 at 2:56pm

freediver wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 9:13am:

Just to put the punishment for rape into perspective, consensual sex can be punished with being stoned to death.

Consensual sex is never punished in Islam. Because God Almighty, the owner of our bodies, does not consent to us performing adultery.

How is adultery consensual? Does God consent to it? Does the cheated on spouse consent to it?

Adultery is not consensual sex.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Hysteria as cops make innocents the priority Reply #52 - Apr 29^th, 2012 at 3:00pm Just thinking about all this makes me think you'd be better off having a couple of crownies and watching the football. Not as messy either.
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Reply #53 - Apr 29^th, 2012 at 3:48pm

freediver wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 9:13am:

Just to put the punishment for rape into perspective, consensual sex can be punished with being stoned to death.

The rape is presumed to be consensual unless the 4 men prove that it isn't.
Falah,
You are saying a woman can't be consensual. That means a woman is not human. The rapist's action makes the victim an illegal object. That helps with understanding terrorist bombs : people of differing world-views are objects for destruction.

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Reply #55 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:53pm

falah wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 2:56pm:

Somehow in this society, it has beccome fashionable to think that a wife has the right to deny her husband sex, yet hypocritically, society would be outraged if a husband fed denied his wife food or clothing.

Consensual sex is never punished in Islam. Because God Almighty, the owner of our bodies, does not consent to us performing adultery.

How is adultery consensual? Does God consent to it? Does the cheated on spouse consent to it?

Adultery is not consensual sex.

Obviously this is not your country and we are not your people Falah. You don't want to live by our rules you know what you can do.

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Reply #56 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 7:12pm

Kat wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 9:53am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 6:32am:

I've got no gripe with the police doing their job. In this case the police did what they had to do right up until the youth was shot, still ok with that, but the punching after the shooting was uncalled for. The perpetrator was already subdued and the cop still saw fit to punch the living daylights out of him. There was no need for the extra testosterone release in my opinion.

Couldnn't agree more.

Totally uncalled-for, and no 'explanation' is acceptable, AFAIC.

The police MUST learn that they are there to UPHOLD the law.

They are NOT, themselves, the law, despite what they may think.

And they wonder why they don't get 'respect'........

If it were one of my family under the car Id want the cop to stop punching him so I could start. yes the punching was 'wrong' but I defy any court in the land to find him guily of assault. The offender had it coming in spades. Sympathy level: zero.

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Reply #57 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 8:34pm

falah :"Somehow in this society, it has beccome fashionable to think that a wife has the right to deny her husband sex, yet hypocritically, society would be outraged if a husband denied his wife food or clothing. "
If a wife demanded a double bacon and ham sandwich in bed in 20 seconds while the husband was mowing the lawn, society would not be outraged if he said to wait a bit. Maybe if he never gave her any food, yes, but that's not normally the situation with raping a wife. If she totally refused, rape is still not the way to go. A woman is not a bag of groceries. Yes Mohammed was a violent criminal but you don't have to follow the man who heard voices in a cave.

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