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Re: If I wanted Australia to fail
Reply #30 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:54am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 8:30pm:
The real statement for Australia is

If I wanted Australia to fail, I would keep Labor as our government and have the Greens more power


If I wanted Australia to fail, I guess, I wouldn't change a thing


Have to agree with you 100% on that lolly. Leave things as they are and Australia will definitely fail to return to the 1950s.  Cheesy
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Reply #31 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:56am
 
Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 7:44am:
If I wanted Australia to fail I would align myself with America and give our biggest trading partner the flick.

Whether we are in boom times or crises we will align ourselves with what's white.


The country that shoots praying Buddhists in the back, runs tanks over protestors and is - according to Amnesty - holding thousands of political opponents in jail on no charge?

Glad to see you care a lot about human rights.
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Reply #32 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:59am
 
If I wanted Australia to fail I would introduce a carbon tax, a smallish one as to get it passed. Then I would have the greens and any other environmentalist gaia follower to head commitees that have power to up the price.

I would tell the people that this is for the common good. That all other countries will follow us because we are leaders and innovators
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Reply #33 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:03am
 
Yeah but didn't you know the carbon tax is going to stop all pollution and we're all saved because of it?

Then think of all that compensation we get to pay it too?

$3 per year.

Yep, 3/4 of the cost of a latte spread over 12 months.
You lucky people.
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Re: If I wanted Australia to fail
Reply #34 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:15am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:46am:
great one wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:41pm:
Depends on how you decide what is failure... Under Gillards leadership we are Number I in the world .. Howard NEVER got us that far up the ladder ...


It's because of the hard work done by Howard and Costello that Rudd and Gillard were gifted a strong economy. Without that, I suspect we'd have been receiving money from the IMF, not handing it out. If you think Gillard and Swan are competent managers of the economy, look no further than these simple facts:

- Howard left behind a massive $20bn plus surplus
- Said surplus has been turned into a debt of hundreds of billions of dollars
- Gillard and Swan continue to borrow at more than $100m a day with no end in sight and no plan to pay back this enormous debt.


Keep telling yourself that .... Coalition Governments have always had higher spending than labor governments ... check your history .. The Gillard govt. is spending less money than Howard  so all this talk of wasting money is rubbish .. at least she spent it on things that would stimulate the economy. Abbotts stimulus package wasn't much less than labors, and labor had accounted for their budget ... no $70 BILLION black hole ...
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Re: If I wanted Australia to fail
Reply #35 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:32am
 
great one wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:15am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:46am:
great one wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:41pm:
Depends on how you decide what is failure... Under Gillards leadership we are Number I in the world .. Howard NEVER got us that far up the ladder ...


It's because of the hard work done by Howard and Costello that Rudd and Gillard were gifted a strong economy. Without that, I suspect we'd have been receiving money from the IMF, not handing it out. If you think Gillard and Swan are competent managers of the economy, look no further than these simple facts:

- Howard left behind a massive $20bn plus surplus
- Said surplus has been turned into a debt of hundreds of billions of dollars
- Gillard and Swan continue to borrow at more than $100m a day with no end in sight and no plan to pay back this enormous debt.


Keep telling yourself that .... Coalition Governments have always had higher spending than labor governments ... check your history .. The Gillard govt. is spending less money than Howard  so all this talk of wasting money is rubbish .. at least she spent it on things that would stimulate the economy. Abbotts stimulus package wasn't much less than labors, and labor had accounted for their budget ... no $70 BILLION black hole ...



Yet the facts are that the current Government has taken the country from a position of surplus to debt and did so within 18 months of gaining power.

Whether you spend more or less, that is a cast iron fact.

They actually handed out $1,000 to families - then denied it to the working people who actually paid most in tax to the surplus.

It was folly and aimed at their core vote - which obviously didn't work because they lost their entire majority in 2010 and the current is still in fking debt.

Labor are just not suited to governing, they are best in opposition yelling insults.
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Reply #36 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:33am
 
Honestly the standard of knowledge and ability to present a cogent convincing argument on this blog site is about the standard of the Labor Party ie pathetic - why is it the trolls insist on repeatedly describing their personal inadequacies and what is the point of having that fabulous LAST WORD when that last word simply tells everyone that the troll is really an insignificant inferior little nobody ignored by the world desperately trying to get attention but, unfortunately, lacks the ability and talent to attract anything other than pity.

Trolls, instead of wasting good blog space and lowering the standard of the blog site why don't you seek professional help for your inadequacies and disabilities ?
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Re: If I wanted Australia to fail
Reply #37 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:42am
 
juliar wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:33am:
Honestly the standard of knowledge and ability to present a cogent convincing argument on this blog site is about the standard of the Labor Party ie pathetic - why is it the trolls insist on repeatedly describing their personal inadequacies and what is the point of having that fabulous LAST WORD when that last word simply tells everyone that the troll is really an insignificant inferior little nobody ignored by the world desperately trying to get attention but, unfortunately, lacks the ability and talent to attract anything other than pity.

Trolls, instead of wasting good blog space and lowering the standard of the blog site why don't you seek professional help for your inadequacies and disabilities ?



What ARE you havering about?
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Re: If I wanted Australia to fail
Reply #38 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:44am
 
El Gatto wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:42am:
juliar wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:33am:
Honestly the standard of knowledge and ability to present a cogent convincing argument on this blog site is about the standard of the Labor Party ie pathetic - why is it the trolls insist on repeatedly describing their personal inadequacies and what is the point of having that fabulous LAST WORD when that last word simply tells everyone that the troll is really an insignificant inferior little nobody ignored by the world desperately trying to get attention but, unfortunately, lacks the ability and talent to attract anything other than pity.

Trolls, instead of wasting good blog space and lowering the standard of the blog site why don't you seek professional help for your inadequacies and disabilities ?



What ARE you havering about?


I was wondering that myself ... talk about wasting blog space and lowering standards ...
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Reply #39 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:01am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:32am:
Yet the facts are that the current Government has taken the country from a position of surplus to debt and did so within 18 months of gaining power.

Whether you spend more or less, that is a cast iron fact.

They actually handed out $1,000 to families - then denied it to the working people who actually paid most in tax to the surplus.

It was folly and aimed at their core vote - which obviously didn't work because they lost their entire majority in 2010 and the current is still in fking debt.

Labor are just not suited to governing, they are best in opposition yelling insults.


Yet the facts are that the current Government has taken the country from a position of surplus to debt and did so within 18 months of gaining power.

If it was not for the GFC Australia would have stayed in surplus and in the condition which did exist at the time the Liberals would have clearly found them selves in the same position. To make the argument you do here is basically dishonest and meaningless in terms of fact.

They actually handed out $1,000 to families - then denied it to the working people who actually paid most in tax to the surplus.

The money was meant to give the economy a kick start to help get us over the initial impact of the downturn and seems to have worked.

Targeting additional money at people better off would have had a lot less impact, money going into savings and investment would have done nothing positive for the economy.

It was folly and aimed at their core vote - which obviously didn't work because they lost their entire majority in 2010 and the current is still in fking debt.

And the liberals have opposed and undermined every policy aimed at a return to surplus.

Labor are just not suited to governing, they are best in opposition yelling insults.

It will be interesting 15 months after (if) Tnoy Abbnott becomes PM to see who is better equipped to be in opposition just saying no to every thing but a menace in government.
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Re: If I wanted Australia to fail
Reply #40 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:07am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:32am:
great one wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:15am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:46am:
great one wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:41pm:
Depends on how you decide what is failure... Under Gillards leadership we are Number I in the world .. Howard NEVER got us that far up the ladder ...


It's because of the hard work done by Howard and Costello that Rudd and Gillard were gifted a strong economy. Without that, I suspect we'd have been receiving money from the IMF, not handing it out. If you think Gillard and Swan are competent managers of the economy, look no further than these simple facts:

- Howard left behind a massive $20bn plus surplus
- Said surplus has been turned into a debt of hundreds of billions of dollars
- Gillard and Swan continue to borrow at more than $100m a day with no end in sight and no plan to pay back this enormous debt.


Keep telling yourself that .... Coalition Governments have always had higher spending than labor governments ... check your history .. The Gillard govt. is spending less money than Howard  so all this talk of wasting money is rubbish .. at least she spent it on things that would stimulate the economy. Abbotts stimulus package wasn't much less than labors, and labor had accounted for their budget ... no $70 BILLION black hole ...



Yet the facts are that the current Government has taken the country from a position of surplus to debt and did so within 18 months of gaining power.

Whether you spend more or less, that is a cast iron fact.

They actually handed out $1,000 to families - then denied it to the working people who actually paid most in tax to the surplus.

It was folly and aimed at their core vote - which obviously didn't work because they lost their entire majority in 2010 and the current is still in fking debt.

Labor are just not suited to governing, they are best in opposition yelling insults.


Firstly you are on such weak ground as you lord and praise the Uass that has what is it 16+ Trillion's of debt Grin Grin Grin

Now as a bean counter i would hope that you might just have the slightest inkling of economics. As your response shows none i will assume you are simply being a right wing nut who would vote for hitler before labor at an election because the brain damage you sustained taking acid at uni has left you with no executive function.

Our economic position is excellent, and when you take into account the world collapse particularly in the Uass and EU combined with the massive loss in tax revenue we are doing even better. Lay over that some of the most desperately needed infrastructure improvements in our schools (that i know your snobs will never attend) we will finally have a communications system that will allow this country to enter the 21 century. But the selfish like you never get that you only think of how you are going to stage a take over of heven so you can take you money with you and the grandkids can go back to throwing stones for all you care.
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Reply #41 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:10am
 
It makes economic sense that in the event of a domestic, regional and global downturn for a govt that is in the position to borrow to keep the economy going to do so.
All govts do it..Labor and Liberal and I doubt anyone would rather we were wallowing in the depths of an economic depression rather than borrowing an easily affordable amount of money.
The same people complaining about govt debt would be complaining just as loud if the govt had done nothing and we were in double digit unemployment with mass defaults on housing and personal loans meaning banks and business would be falling like dominoes just as they have overseas.
We are in a strong economic and enviable position simply because the govt took swift action...like it or not
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Reply #42 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:15am
 
adelcrow wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:10am:
It makes economic sense that in the event of a domestic, regional and global downturn for a govt that is in the position to borrow to keep the economy going to do so.
All govts do it..Labor and Liberal
and I doubt anyone would rather we were wallowing in the depths of an economic depression rather than borrowing an easily affordable amount of money.
The same people complaining about govt debt would be complaining just as loud if the govt had done nothing and we were in double digit unemployment with mass defaults on housing and personal loans meaning banks and business would be falling like dominoes just as they have overseas.
We are in a strong economic and enviable position simply because the govt took swift action...like it or not


In fact the liberals proposal at the time was almost identical ... except that they wanted to give the money to the rich, and instead of borrowing 200 million, it was 180 million ... wow,  .. what saviours .... not
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Reply #43 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 11:30am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:46am:
great one wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:41pm:
Depends on how you decide what is failure... Under Gillards leadership we are Number I in the world .. Howard NEVER got us that far up the ladder ...


It's because of the hard work done by Howard and Costello that Rudd and Gillard were gifted a strong economy. Without that, I suspect we'd have been receiving money from the IMF, not handing it out. If you think Gillard and Swan are competent managers of the economy, look no further than these simple facts:

- Howard left behind a massive $20bn plus surplus
- Said surplus has been turned into a debt of hundreds of billions of dollars
- Gillard and Swan continue to borrow at more than $100m a day with no end in sight and no plan to pay back this enormous debt.


The $20 billion surplus was in the forward estimates accounting for revenue and spending for the following 4 years meaning it never eventuated due to the massive decline in revenue.....Revenue declined and the spending contained in the budget through entitlements and tax cuts put the budget into structural deficit.....Labor spent money to keep the economy afloat and prop up the budget when revenue plummeted or we would have gone into recession and seen massive job losses and a collapse of the Australian dollar!!!

Because revenue still has not returned to post GFC levels the Government must cut spending from the budget and introduce more taxes to help pay for policies needed to keep the Australian economy growing and help industries suffering whilst the Australian dollar is so high!!!

The mining boom is driving up the Australian dollar and harming other industries who export or compete with oversees imports....To claim the mining industry should not contribute to help the majority of Australians who are not benefiting from the mining industry would do long term harm to the economy when the mining boom ends and Australia has nothing else!!!

We need to invest in the future and help industries survive the problems created by the mining boom and not stick our heads in the sand and think the billionaires will give a stuff about Australia once they have raped our resources and made a killing with our mineral wealth!!!

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Reply #44 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 11:33am
 
IF I WANTED AUSTRALIA TO FAIL
I'd elect Phony Tony Abbott as PM.
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