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Reply #120 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:20am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:57am:
ANZAC Day is also a time to remember the grace with which the great Ataturk extended the hand of reconciliation to the ANZACs and to acknowledge the hospitality the Turks still extend to us today at ANZAC Cove.

It is surely unparalleled in the history of modern warfare where a victorious former enemy demonstrates as much friendship and respect as the Turkish state offers to Australians on this, our most sacred day.

Those heroes that shed their blood
and lost their lives...
you are now lying in the soil of a friendly country.
Therefore rest in peace.
There is no difference between the Johnnies
and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side
here in this country of ours...
You the mothers
who sent their sons from far away countries
wipe away your tears.
Your sons are now lying in our bosom
and are in peace.
After having lost their lives on this land they have
become our sons as well.


Ataturk 1934



That was beautiful.

Such a senseless thing, war.
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Reply #121 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:51am
 
nairbe wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:36am:
chimera wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:11pm:
Anzacs were the men of WWI. Yanks have taken over most of Oz but does Anzac Day have to comply with US support of Israel's invasion into legal Palestine territory? Yanks weren't in the war when Anzac Cove 1915 happened.


Are you confusing the ANZAC's with the ANZUS treaty?


Definitely.  Wink
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Reply #122 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:56am
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:20am:
That was beautiful.

Such a senseless thing, war.


It is. Today we should take the opportunity to remind ourselves of the human tragedy of wars that continue to this day and pay respect to those who endure and have endured the horror of war. Politicians have no right to gain any mileage out of the Anzac Day ceremonies. This day belongs to the ones who suffered due to the inability of politicians to do their jobs, sort out their differences and protect their people.

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DULCE ET DECORUM EST

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of tired, outstripped Five-Nines that dropped behind.
Gas! Gas! Quick, boys! – An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling,
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime . . .
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori.

Wilfred Owen
8 October 1917 - March, 1918
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Reply #123 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:02am
 
To the ANZACS - Thankyou
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Reply #124 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:12am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:39am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:01am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 11:05pm:
This is such a serious day so please forgive this serious post:


It's a day when I will remember WW1 when soldiers were forced
to go over the top of the trenches & charge against 1000's
of machine guns.
Even when such charges failed with tens of  1000's killed -
the charges were repeated in following days with more "canon fodder".
I consider that the generals & the Govt's who sent men -
often against their will - into such acts of suicide should have
been put on trial & hanged.

Instead we fool ourselves that the all the men were brave.
If they didn't go over the top they were shot by their own officers
who remained in the trenches.

It's a day to remember those poor blokes who were forced
to give their lives for no military gain.
It's also a time remember those who were brave.
It's a time to remember the horrors of war &
the peace we have enjoyed in comparison.



Good post, Bat. That's made my day.



That puts it in some perspective bobby.

War is decided by old men in boardrooms and young men are sent to die. We should stop all invasions now.
The men who signed up for WWI and II did it for adventure, it was a way out of the shearing sheds. Read their stories, that's what they said.



Thanks Pansi,
Some were also conscripted against their will.
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Reply #125 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:29am
 

that was a good service this year.

it's a good thing for me to do. A very small mark of gratitude for them
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Reply #126 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:52am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:12am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:39am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:01am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 11:05pm:
This is such a serious day so please forgive this serious post:


It's a day when I will remember WW1 when soldiers were forced
to go over the top of the trenches & charge against 1000's
of machine guns.
Even when such charges failed with tens of  1000's killed -
the charges were repeated in following days with more "canon fodder".
I consider that the generals & the Govt's who sent men -
often against their will - into such acts of suicide should have
been put on trial & hanged.

Instead we fool ourselves that the all the men were brave.
If they didn't go over the top they were shot by their own officers
who remained in the trenches.

It's a day to remember those poor blokes who were forced
to give their lives for no military gain.
It's also a time remember those who were brave.
It's a time to remember the horrors of war &
the peace we have enjoyed in comparison.






Good post, Bat. That's made my day.



That puts it in some perspective bobby.

War is decided by old men in boardrooms and young men are sent to die. We should stop all invasions now.
The men who signed up for WWI and II did it for adventure, it was a way out of the shearing sheds. Read their stories, that's what they said.



Thanks Pansi,
Some were also conscripted against their will.



Yes, good one, Bobby.

Well said.
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Reply #127 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 11:51am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 10:12am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:39am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:01am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 11:05pm:
This is such a serious day so please forgive this serious post:


It's a day when I will remember WW1 when soldiers were forced
to go over the top of the trenches & charge against 1000's
of machine guns.
Even when such charges failed with tens of  1000's killed -
the charges were repeated in following days with more "canon fodder".
I consider that the generals & the Govt's who sent men -
often against their will - into such acts of suicide should have
been put on trial & hanged.

Instead we fool ourselves that the all the men were brave.
If they didn't go over the top they were shot by their own officers
who remained in the trenches.

It's a day to remember those poor blokes who were forced
to give their lives for no military gain.
It's also a time remember those who were brave.
It's a time to remember the horrors of war &
the peace we have enjoyed in comparison.



Good post, Bat. That's made my day.



That puts it in some perspective bobby.

War is decided by old men in boardrooms and young men are sent to die. We should stop all invasions now.
The men who signed up for WWI and II did it for adventure, it was a way out of the shearing sheds. Read their stories, that's what they said.



Thanks Pansi,
Some were also conscripted against their will.


I agree with the sentiments, Bobby, but WW1 - no conscription.
I was just looking at the AWM site, my father left Australia in May 1915 as a member of the 2nd Reinforcement Company and became part of the 55th Battalion AIF when it formed in Egypt in 1916. They were posted to France later that year and their first action was at Fromelles...then Bullencourt, the Hindenburg Line, Villes-Bretenneux(?) , Polygon Wood and St Quentin Canal.
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Reply #128 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 11:59am
 

Our boys weren't conscripted, Crag, but many in other countries were.
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Reply #129 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:29pm
 
They died for this, poor bastards.

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Reply #130 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:04pm
 
Swagman wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:45pm:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:34pm:
  No one is coming to harm me, I feel quite safe, so no one is saving me from the big bad terrorists.


.......and why are you safe? Sad



Because Johnny gave me a fridge magnet.
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Reply #131 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:28pm
 
Kat wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 11:59am:
Our boys weren't conscripted, Crag, but many in other countries were.


Quite right, kat, I was being parochial again...
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Reply #132 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 2:16pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:50am:
i do not celebrate ritual sacrifice and murder

by the english.

many 1000s of anzacs were ordered to charge and

were slaughtered in rank and file

by the british monarchy yes

murder of the convict stock,i will not pretend to like

the freemasonic ritual,

to celebrate murder and ritual blood sacrifice

the monarchy gets a real belly laugh at misguided

ceremonies

freewill

enjoy blessings

namaste


Light, you're a former soldier and comrade, so I'll say this only once.

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Reply #133 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 2:21pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:29pm:
They died for this, poor bastards.




"BBQ, beer, and backyard cricket".

Ah, the simple life of a bogan.

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Reply #134 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 2:33pm
 
Crag,
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I agree with the sentiments, Bobby, but WW1 - no conscription.
I was just looking at the AWM site, my father left Australia in May 1915 as a member of the 2nd Reinforcement Company and became part of the 55th Battalion AIF when it formed in Egypt in 1916. They were posted to France later that year and their first action was at Fromelles...then Bullencourt, the Hindenburg Line, Villes-Bretenneux(?) , Polygon Wood and St Quentin Canal.


They did have conscription in NZ.

http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/media/photo/war-census-and-conscription
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