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Reply #45 - Apr 21st, 2012 at 8:53pm
 
red baron wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 8:45pm:
chimera..are you trying to explain due process...Uhhh I think that with 18 years of Policing in Traffic, Management, Covert, Police Video Unit and General Duties I might just have an inkling of due process..but thanks for your somewhat murky explanation.



Hi Red Baron,
The cops know where the club houses are & probably know
where every member's address is.

Why not just round them up & jail them?

They could trump up charges to hold them e.g.
" being a member of a criminal organisation.  "
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Reply #46 - Apr 21st, 2012 at 8:54pm
 
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Yes I thought you may have. Would you care to elucidate to an extended perscipacity the alluded comport attendant on this interlocution? please.
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Reply #47 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 6:16am
 
Not really a uni degree to join Qld police. A Justice Certificate or a couple of other entry options are available.
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Reply #48 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 7:50am
 
Why does red baron ask what does it mean to issue summons against bikies?
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Reply #49 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 9:23am
 
Lost in translation chimera, I mean the words are coming from you but what do they mean???????????????????????
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Reply #50 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 9:26am
 
Socialist Alliance, anyone who has been  reading my detailed posts on this issue knows that I am talking about  the NSW Police Force which does have extremely high educational demands.

However, I will say that does not make Qld Police inferior. Many a good Cop has come from the country in particular before the new standards and made great Police.

However we live in an age that demands high standards and those standards are being met by the NSW Police Force.
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Reply #51 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 9:28am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 8:53pm:
red baron wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 8:45pm:
chimera..are you trying to explain due process...Uhhh I think that with 18 years of Policing in Traffic, Management, Covert, Police Video Unit and General Duties I might just have an inkling of due process..but thanks for your somewhat murky explanation.



Hi Red Baron,
The cops know where the club houses are & probably know
where every member's address is.

Why not just round them up & jail them?

They could trump up charges to hold them e.g.
" being a member of a criminal organisation.  "




Bump to Red Baron.
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Reply #52 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 9:30am
 
chimera wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 8:38pm:
Expand what? Justice dept handles the courts system and the Rule of Law.
Summons is used after police with woofy uni degree, or the public, give evidence that an offence may have been committed. DPP then prosecutes. DPP is Director of public Prosecutions.
Traffic infringement is..ohh what the ...


you need to get out in the real world ... you don't go to a gang of bikies with your law degree and ask them to hand themselves in because they've committed an offense ... its a good way to get your skull cracked ... you actually think they care or are worried by a badge or title? Most of the ones I know will laugh at you if you even try, and then shove that badge where the sun doesn't shine ....
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Reply #53 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 9:32am
 
red baron wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 9:23am:
Lost in translation chimera, I mean the words are coming from you but what do they mean?

I said the Justice dept can issue summons against bikies. (So no need for vigilante soldiers to attack the gangs).
What exactly do you want me to explain about a summons?
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Reply #54 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 10:17am
 
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O.K. Political Puppet, for a start Police are not 'goons' as you have called them. Each Police Officer who joins must undertake and complete a University Degree. So they are not uneducated, on the contrary they are extremely well educated.
Goon was just an expression, but regardless of the education they are hired muscle, no different then if a bikie gang wanted to hire someone for protection or enforcment.

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You see Puppet, we as a Society are at the crossroads. Do we surrender the streets to Bilker gangs who peddle mind bending and killing drugs such as Ecstasy to our youth (and not so young)?

Or do we take control, with the professional body of Police who are, as author Joseph Wambaugh described them, Blue Knights?
I believe that drugs should be legal and that what they are doing is justified and moral.
People make their own choices in life and the bikies are just there to offer a product.
Where there is demand there is supply, always, no exceptions.

The police enforce a system of dangerous mind bending pharmaceutical drugs, why are they ok?

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It is getting a little tiresome, every time Police take strong action for strong circumstances and having the Civil Liberty idiots come out and make statements like they have today without any conception whatsoever in regard to the situation.

Take today's drama.
What do tattoos and colours have to do with some random kid crashing a car?
I agree that force was needed in that situtation.
I have no problem with police using force in a situation when someone is a serious threat to someones health.


Police need to take a good hard long look at their boss (the government)
and realise that it is just another gang
do not isolate yourself from your public
be sensitive and supportive of the people you serve
do not target the little guys
and do not ruin peoples lives for victimless crime.
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Reply #55 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 10:42am
 
[quote ] you don't go to a gang of bikies with your law degree and ask them to hand themselves in because they've committed an offense ... its a good way to get your skull cracked ... [/quote]
You may have noticed those things on a police belt. Cans and metal products? Used for humans who may be suspects, causing a male to lie face down on pavement not breathing.
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Reply #56 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 11:33am
 
red baron wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 9:26am:
Socialist Alliance, anyone who has been  reading my detailed posts on this issue knows that I am talking about  the NSW Police Force which does have extremely high educational demands.

However, I will say that does not make Qld Police inferior. Many a good Cop has come from the country in particular before the new standards and made great Police.

However we live in an age that demands high standards and those standards are being met by the NSW Police Force.


We have previously spoken on this and i completely disagree, the NSW police are failing the chalenge. Whether by poor culture within the Dept. or lack of required funding, resourcing and post operational support i would say it is a mixture. Your defence is understandable as you have much invested personally but please the evidence is clear that law and order is in break down.
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Reply #57 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 7:00pm
 
Sickening video of police out of control. The youth has been shot already, then the cop lays into him in full view of 200 people.

When will the cops learn that there are cameras out there. If you do it you will be caught on camera.

Copping it at The Cross

This exclusive footage by The Sunday Telegraph shows the dramatic arrest of 18-year-old Troy Taylor, who was shot then punched by NSW Polic...

http://video.dailytelegraph.com.au/2225332442/Copping-it-at-The-Cross
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Reply #58 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 7:03pm
 
chimera wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 10:42am:
[quote ] you don't go to a gang of bikies with your law degree and ask them to hand themselves in because they've committed an offense ... its a good way to get your skull cracked ...

You may have noticed those things on a police belt. Cans and metal products? Used for humans who may be suspects, causing a male to lie face down on pavement not breathing. [/quote]

You'll find that most times, the bikies are better armed and the police are outnumbered ... the only time the police are really prepared to deal with them are when they pull in resources from across the state and form a task force ..
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Reply #59 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 7:07pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 7:00pm:
Sickening video of police out of control. The youth has been shot already, then the cop lays into him in full view of 200 people.

When will the cops learn that there are cameras out there. If you do it you will be caught on camera.

Copping it at The Cross

This exclusive footage by The Sunday Telegraph shows the dramatic arrest of 18-year-old Troy Taylor, who was shot then punched by NSW Polic...

http://video.dailytelegraph.com.au/2225332442/Copping-it-at-The-Cross


Those cameras do the community a disservice .. the more often that happens, the less the police will be inclined to act ... the civil libitarians are help crimes run riot ... go back to the old days when you did something wrong, police beat you up a bit and sent you home with a warning ... courts weren't as busy, prisons weren't as full, and often the kids learn't their lesson before things got to far ...

I saw the footage on tv, but didn't the same kids earlier shoot into a night club? pull a gun and you deserve whatever you get .
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