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Reply #30 - Apr 21st, 2012 at 4:43pm
 


It is essential to remember one thing....

If you let this go through to the 'keeper simply because
you 'don't like bikies' or because 'bikies are scum', then
you are no better than they are.

And, somewhere down the track, YOU will be next. Bank on it!

You do not deserve freedom, because you give it up so cheaply.
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Reply #31 - Apr 21st, 2012 at 4:50pm
 
El Gatto wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 4:43pm:
It is essential to remember one thing....

If you let this go through to the 'keeper simply because
you 'don't like bikies' or because 'bikies are scum', then
you are no better than they are.

And, somewhere down the track, YOU will be next. Bank on it!

You do not deserve freedom, because you give it up so cheaply.



The thing is - it can get much worse until it is a war.
It won't be until police are killed in a shootout -
Then - the Govt. will get really serious.
Look at what has happened in Mexico.
It's a full on war with drug cartels.
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Reply #32 - Apr 21st, 2012 at 4:56pm
 
Sir Bobby wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 4:50pm:
El Gatto wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 4:43pm:
It is essential to remember one thing....

If you let this go through to the 'keeper simply because
you 'don't like bikies' or because 'bikies are scum', then
you are no better than they are.

And, somewhere down the track, YOU will be next. Bank on it!

You do not deserve freedom, because you give it up so cheaply.



The thing is - it can get much worse until it is a war.
It won't be until police are killed in a shootout -
Then - the Govt. will get really serious.
Look at what has happened in Mexico.
It's a full on war with drug cartels.


Lol. They already planned for that though didnt they in the howard regime. No auto or semi auto guns.

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Reply #33 - Apr 21st, 2012 at 4:57pm
 
Maybe the bikies can import high powered weapons & get them past customs?
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Reply #34 - Apr 21st, 2012 at 5:39pm
 
Bobby the bat, when I joined the cops I was 32 an old grandfather in those days. The max age in was 35 then Now it somethng like 55!). I had had the advantage of a military career before I joined the Police and I am a veteran of 2 tours of duty in active zones.

I could not believe how amateurish the Police were in regard to large scale operations. The T.R.G. or tactical response group of its day were, in my opinion poorly trained and you only have to go as far as the Macquarie Fields riots. An area incidentally where i did my general Duties Training. That was a riot that never should have been a riot.

The Police tactics were so bad they were embarrassing.

Now I have been out of the cops for a bit now and I hope that their tactics and training have improved out of sight, because they damn well needed to be.

I still have great reservations about how Police are trained to handle large scale lawlessness like the Bikers.

I cannot see anything wrong with enlisting the S.A.S. to help with this situation. '

I will quote some history for you. When the cops had huge problems in the Rocks with razor gangs they formed 21 Division, a Police unit full of hardened returned soldiers.

They went in and belted the living bejeesus out of them. In no time at all the Rocks and the razor gangs were under control.

All we need is the will to do something about it and we can wipe the floor with the bikers.
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Reply #35 - Apr 21st, 2012 at 6:08pm
 
Red, dont you see the government is just another gang.
The bikies are no worse.
Police are the hired goons of the government

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They are responsible for the enormous majority of drugs in this Country.

Actually pharmaceutical corporations are.

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It is time to give the Police the power to form an enormous strike force whose full time duty is control of the biker gangs.

They already have this power,
they already have every power they need.

The issue here is about saying who can run what and who can wear what.
There is no reason the police or law should dictate over stuff like that.

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WE MUST DECLARE WAR ON OUTLAW BIKER CLUBS NOW!!!!

We MUST declare war on the government.
get your priorities straight.
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Reply #36 - Apr 21st, 2012 at 6:34pm
 
We are losing our civil liberties and we must take affirmative action or suffer the consequences.

Whatcha gunna do when they come for you
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Reply #37 - Apr 21st, 2012 at 6:37pm
 
Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 6:34pm:
We are losing our civil liberties and we must take affirmative action or suffer the consequences.

Whatcha gunna do when they come for you


Yeah. What do we do though? Lobby?

http://lobbyists.pmc.gov.au/

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Reply #38 - Apr 21st, 2012 at 6:56pm
 
Sorry I just hate the idea of seeing Gillard spread across the passenger seat.
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Reply #39 - Apr 21st, 2012 at 7:09pm
 
O.K. Political Puppet, for a start Police are not 'goons' as you have called them. Each Police Officer who joins must undertake and complete a University Degree. So they are not uneducated, on the contrary they are extremely well educated.

You see Puppet, we as a Society are at the crossroads. Do we surrender the streets to Bilker gangs who peddle mind bending and killing drugs such as Ecstasy to our youth (and not so young)?

Or do we take control, with the professional body of Police who are, as author Joseph Wambaugh described them, Blue Knights?


It is getting a little tiresome, every time Police take strong action for strong circumstances and having the Civil Liberty idiots come out and make statements like they have today without any conception whatsoever in regard to the situation.

Take today's drama.

The car was driven up on the footpath outside Bada Bing nightclub (name ripped off from the Sopranos  T.V. show)

The subject stolen Honda Civic which contained two teenage boys in the front, the driver 14 and the passenger 18. In the back were a mixture of 4 passengers from 14 to 24 years of age.

The car mounted the footpath which was full of pedestrian traffic.

A volley of shots was fired into the Bada Bing nightclub.

The car took off with nearby Police in pursuit. It careered down the footpath and drove over a female pedestrian causing serious injuries.

At this stage Police open fire, wounding both men in the front of the car.

Their action was entirely appropriate because the Police  charter is to defend life and property; had real and sudden concern that the car was going to try and escape by mowing down a path for itself along the footpath.
The road was grid locked.

I applaud the Police for their decisive action. The public have been crying for decisive action, early today they got it.

As I have previously said, "if you are old enough to brandish a gun, then you are old enough to be the subject of your own actions."

Enough Police have died at the hands of criminals.

So please Puppet, temper your statements based on sound fact and not on  rhetoric.
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Reply #40 - Apr 21st, 2012 at 7:53pm
 
red baron wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 5:39pm:
Bobby the bat, when I joined the cops I was 32 an old grandfather in those days. The max age in was 35 then Now it somethng like 55!). I had had the advantage of a military career before I joined the Police and I am a veteran of 2 tours of duty in active zones.

I could not believe how amateurish the Police were in regard to large scale operations. The T.R.G. or tactical response group of its day were, in my opinion poorly trained and you only have to go as far as the Macquarie Fields riots. An area incidentally where i did my general Duties Training. That was a riot that never should have been a riot.

The Police tactics were so bad they were embarrassing.

Now I have been out of the cops for a bit now and I hope that their tactics and training have improved out of sight, because they damn well needed to be.

I still have great reservations about how Police are trained to handle large scale lawlessness like the Bikers.

I cannot see anything wrong with enlisting the S.A.S. to help with this situation. '

I will quote some history for you. When the cops had huge problems in the Rocks with razor gangs they formed 21 Division, a Police unit full of hardened returned soldiers.

They went in and belted the living bejeesus out of them. In no time at all the Rocks and the razor gangs were under control.

All we need is the will to do something about it and we can wipe the floor with the bikers.



We need more people like Red Baron -
he would fix the problem.
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Reply #41 - Apr 21st, 2012 at 7:58pm
 
No, we just ask the Justice dept to issue summons for traffic infringement, assault, murder and littering.
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Reply #42 - Apr 21st, 2012 at 8:23pm
 
Now chimera I know you are being cryptic, ironic, call it what you  might. But you might like to expand you argument a little..
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Reply #43 - Apr 21st, 2012 at 8:38pm
 
Expand what? Justice dept handles the courts system and the Rule of Law.
Summons is used after police with woofy uni degree, or the public, give evidence that an offence may have been committed. DPP then prosecutes. DPP is Director of public Prosecutions.
Traffic infringement is..ohh what the ...
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Reply #44 - Apr 21st, 2012 at 8:45pm
 
chimera..are you trying to explain due process...Uhhh I think that with 18 years of Policing in Traffic, Management, Covert, Police Video Unit and General Duties I might just have an inkling of due process..but thanks for your somewhat murky explanation.
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