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Reply #120 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 8:09pm
 
Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 5:15pm:
Culture Warrior wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 4:15pm:
Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:29pm:
Culture Warrior wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:21pm:
Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:18pm:
Every action has a reaction. The cops start chasing the stolen car. The driver decides to attempt a getaway via the footpath.

The police should be aware of their actions and the consequences that may ensue.

I will never promote police brutality under any circumstances, it's an ugly road we are going down.

I'm not even getting involved in the criminal aspects of this scenario, we all know the law was being broken, it's the police brutality that worries me.

I know if you had the chance you would have everyone armed and ready to defend themselves from the criminal hoards, but I prefer an ordered and civilized society, where criminals are apprehended lawfully and dealt with via the court system.

We really can't go around shooting all suspects or offenders, as much as it would free up the prison system, it's just not right.


Do you have any sympathy at all for those who were hit by the car and the owner of the car that was stolen?





Yes I do. I would hate to get hit by a car or to have my car stolen, it's very inconvenient and a bloody nuisance.

If I was the person hit by that car at the Cross, I would be p1ssed at the cops for giving chase in a built-up pedestrian area....idiots. The lady would not have been hit if there was no chase. The person may or may not have got their car back, but would have got the insurance for it.

I've seen cases where the cops call off a chase for a stolen car because it was too dangerous, and blow me down with a straw, the car was recovered and no one was injured.

Too much testosterone and not enough brains in the case of the Kings Cross saga.

They just killed two innocent people last week by giving chase to a stolen car. Do they ever learn?



It's strange that you're only willing to use cause and effect up to a certain point in this incident.

Why halt it at the point of the chase and not the stealing of the car?


The stealing of the car hurt no one. No one was hurt until the police got involved.

If someone stole a loaf of bread and took off in a non stolen car, should the police give chase? They are things, just replaceable things.


So stealing is okay now.
The car was someone's property therefore the cops have every right to try and retrieve it.

Anyway, I know you're not going to come to reason; your bleeding heart and irrational hatred of authority blocks any chance you will examine this event rationally, so this is our last exchange on this topic.

Goodbye.
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Today's Anglo Aussies seem to be happy being the servants to other more motivated and intelligent races - Adelcrow.
 
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Reply #121 - Apr 27th, 2012 at 9:19am
 
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... you don't go to a gang of bikies with your law degree and ask them to hand themselves in because they've committed an offense ... its a good way to get your skull cracked ...  Most of the ones I know will laugh at you if you even try, and then shove that badge where the sun doesn't shine ....

April 27, 2012, 8:30 am
Police are raiding 18 Sydney properties believed to have links to bikie gangs the Hells Angels and the Nomads.

The raids began early on Friday morning and are ongoing, a State Crime Command spokeswoman told AAP.

State Crime Command has joined forces with local police and officers of Strike Force Kinnarra, formed in April to investigate shootings believed to be linked to outlaw motorcycle gang conflict.

The spokeswoman said it was too early to say if any arrests had been made.

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Reply #122 - Apr 27th, 2012 at 10:22am
 
Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 2:34pm:
Why would you start a police chase in a highly built-up pedestrian precinct? There was no need for it. Once again all for a stolen car.

Why have stolen cars become so important that human life is put at risk to recover them? Anyone would think the cops have some sort of deal with the insurance companies.

At least these guys committed a crime, not like being tasered to death for no reason.



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Police pursued that vehicle along the footpath on foot. They attempted to stop the vehicle; at a point about 50 or so metres north of Bayswater Road that vehicle struck a female pedestrian. That female pedestrian was pushed under the front of the vehicle. At that point police, in an attempt to protect that person, discharged a number of shots into the vehicle. The driver of the car was hit twice; the front seat passenger hit once. Four other people in the rear of the car were subsequently removed.

The police commenced to chase the vehicle on foot because it drove up onto the footpath.


http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2012/s3482600.htm

Would following them at a brisk walking pace be acceptable to the haters?
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Reply #123 - Apr 27th, 2012 at 9:41pm
 
Pansi...have you been reading the posts on this site with your head inside a cardboard box? Wake up sleepy...the arguments have already been aired. Time to go home now and get much needed  REM sleep in.
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Reply #124 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 8:15am
 
El Gatto wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 2:13pm:
skippy. wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 1:57pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 1:14pm:
This is about the time we start standing up for our rights...

NSW bikies face tattoo parlour bans
http://video.news.com.au/2225030221/NSW-bikies-face-tattoo-parlour-bans
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Bikie gangs will be banned from owning tattoo parlours and wearing their colours, in a bid to stop violence.


If they can do it to one group in society, they can do it to any.
In politics bad things always get seen in a good light, do not light the police state trick you into giving up your freedom and rights for 'safety' which they cannot provide and in many cases do a lot to jeopardize themselves, directly and indirectly.

Yep, I agree, O Farrell is going to find his ass kicked all the way to the high court over this, and he'll lose. This is discrimination, no matter what you think of bikies.





That's it.

In a nut-shell.

And that's all that SHOULD need to be said.

If YOU don't stand up for THEIR rights now, who will stand
up for YOURS when (not if) it's YOUR turn?


LOL. Yes where will it end? They will be trying to dismantle other organized crime groups next. The mafia, the triads, terrorist cells.

Sorry but I fail to see where the "rights" of organized criminal groups are aligned with my own.

As for BS legislation to stop them wearing colours or owning tattoo palors I don't see the point or advantage. Let them keep their colours. It makes them identifiable. Let them keep the tattoo palors, who cares.

I got no problem with stopping them from owning chop shops, car yards, pawn brokers, money lending, security firms, locksmiths, tow truck companies. Anything that gives them the avenues to distribute and launder goods and money from their illegal activities.

I care as much for the "rights" of 1%er bikie gangs as they care for mine. Zip!

As for the idea that these groups might function as noble militia groups defending the citizenry against rogue governments well that just brings tears to my eyes from laughing so hard. Mad Max was closer to reality than that piece of fantasy.

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Reply #125 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 9:48am
 
The Bikie gangs use the Tattoo shops as their outlets to peddle hard core drugs.

The bikie gangs consider themselves the 1% er's, the ones outside the law and not subject to it.

They are now getting a long needed wake up call.

They are just crap on two wheels and that's all they are, preying on the youth of this Country with their lousy drugs.

Hammer the bastards into oblivion!
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Reply #126 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 10:00am
 
They don't peddle the drugs out of the tattoo shop. How obvious would that be. The drugs are sold elsewhere.

The tattoo shop is the avenue they use to launder the drug money.
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Reply #127 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 10:23am
 
Just another wasted shot fired in the stupid, pointless and already-lost 'War on Drugs'.

Decriminalise the drugs, and most of them would be out of business virtually overnight.

The govt (and previous govts) really have no-one to blame but themselves.

They CREATED the 'problem', then they create Draconian 'laws' to control a 'problem'
that THEY are responsible for.

Almost ALL so-called 'drug crime' can be traced DIRECTLY back to the fact that they
are illegal.

I do not blame the police, they can only work with what they have. And what they have
is a bunch of VERY bad 'laws' that should NEVER have been passed in the first place.
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Reply #128 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 12:59pm
 
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Would following them at a brisk walking pace be acceptable to the haters?

The speed limit on a footpath is 5kmh and less at traffic lights. Chasing the car at high foot-speed or recklesss running will cause accidents even on a 2 way footpath.
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Reply #129 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 4:32pm
 
RED ALERT! RED ALERT! Chemar has joined the discussion. All women and children please proceed to the safety shelters immediately! Chmiera has declared the footpaths a no go zone for pedestrians!
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Reply #130 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 4:48pm
 
El Gatto wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 10:23am:
I do not blame the police, they can only work with what they have. And what they have
is a bunch of VERY bad 'laws' that should NEVER have been passed in the first place.


Totally agree, i have been banging on this line for a while. Police culture is also an issue but a separate one.  I grew up in QLD in the Joh days when the QLD cops had a fierce reputation. "don't walk the street at knight on your own the cops will bash you" and "if they decide your it you will be verballed into it". I moved to NSW when i was old enough to escape only to find the cops were really bent, if you needed drugs - see the cops, if you were in trouble - don't bother, if you lived in a rough area of town - you were the target. They made QLD seem mild. Culture is everything, it is a crap job and i feel for them but they are failed at every turn, by the laws, by the system and by their own culture.
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Reply #131 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 4:58pm
 
"QLD cops had a fierce reputation. "don't walk the street at knight on your own the cops will bash you"
Sir Joh always respected knights. And brown paper bags in his office which bulged.
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Reply #132 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 5:28pm
 
chimera wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 4:58pm:
"QLD cops had a fierce reputation. "don't walk the street at knight on your own the cops will bash you"
Sir Joh always respected knights. And brown paper bags in his office which bulged.



We joke about brown paper bags, but they were literally brown paper bags, supposedly sandwiches for his lunch lol
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Reply #133 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 11:44am
 
Good old Joh (now don't you worry about that). He of the vast knowledge of separation of powers. (Never forgot that doozy).

Then there was Russell Heinze who had a public funded drive made to his residence.

Oh those good old days of rock n' roll in Qld, beautiful one day corrupt the next!

See his daughter Kirsty lost none of his touch, married a billionaire in his 60's - Way to go Kirsty!
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Reply #134 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 3:56pm
 
Separation of powers? He separated the Commie /Labor opposition from the parliament library. "They will only use it to attack the Government". And the Press: "I feed them a bit, like chooks".
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