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Reply #105 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 4:15pm
 
Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:29pm:
Culture Warrior wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:21pm:
Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:18pm:
Every action has a reaction. The cops start chasing the stolen car. The driver decides to attempt a getaway via the footpath.

The police should be aware of their actions and the consequences that may ensue.

I will never promote police brutality under any circumstances, it's an ugly road we are going down.

I'm not even getting involved in the criminal aspects of this scenario, we all know the law was being broken, it's the police brutality that worries me.

I know if you had the chance you would have everyone armed and ready to defend themselves from the criminal hoards, but I prefer an ordered and civilized society, where criminals are apprehended lawfully and dealt with via the court system.

We really can't go around shooting all suspects or offenders, as much as it would free up the prison system, it's just not right.


Do you have any sympathy at all for those who were hit by the car and the owner of the car that was stolen?





Yes I do. I would hate to get hit by a car or to have my car stolen, it's very inconvenient and a bloody nuisance.

If I was the person hit by that car at the Cross, I would be p1ssed at the cops for giving chase in a built-up pedestrian area....idiots. The lady would not have been hit if there was no chase. The person may or may not have got their car back, but would have got the insurance for it.

I've seen cases where the cops call off a chase for a stolen car because it was too dangerous, and blow me down with a straw, the car was recovered and no one was injured.

Too much testosterone and not enough brains in the case of the Kings Cross saga.

They just killed two innocent people last week by giving chase to a stolen car. Do they ever learn?



It's strange that you're only willing to use cause and effect up to a certain point in this incident.

Why halt it at the point of the chase and not the stealing of the car?
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Reply #106 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 4:21pm
 
Socialist Alliance...Get the story correct. It wasn't just a simple case of stealing a car. Before they stole the car in their own admissions, they stated that they had consumed about 20 alcoholic drinks with drugs as chasers.

Now....would you agree that a car is a weapon on wheels? If not then..would you agree that a car driven with 20 alcoholic drinks and drugs as a chaser, would pose a huge risk to every other road user including pedestrians?

I was in Police Traffic for 7 years in my career. The thing that astounds me, is that they made it as far as the Cross without killing anyone, including themselves on the way.
Now I won't hear anymore of your excuses for these CRIMINALS with a Capital C, because that's exactly what they are...all of them.

You think that the 14 year olds won't still be in prison when they're in their late 30's if they live that long?

Their life has already been decided and it started when their parents abandoned their duty of care when they were and in some of their cases still are kids...in an age context.

P.S. If it was a member of your own family that they had mowed down, I think you would be humming a different tune.

You make it sound like it was the woman's fault, for being there when they drove onto the footpath.
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Reply #107 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 5:11pm
 
I understandy. They are criminals with a capital C.

I have never once stated anything different to that fact. The fact is they are criminals.

I'm not even saying the shooting was wrong.

The chase in a built up area is wrong.

Essentially what the cops have done is go to a gas leak with a lighted match.

At the end of the day, it is us that pay. The family of the mother and daughter that were killed in WA will get a lot of compensation.

The cops job is to stop crime, not create it. They are police, they seem to think it's a war and they're the military.

There are a lot of grey areas and we have to look at all the bits of any scenario.

Should the cops give chase in high density traffic and pedestrian areas?

I say NO, it is far too risky for all concerned.
Cops are there to arrest criminals AND to protect citizens. They failed.


If you think they should give chase under any circumstances, then I beg to differ and leave it that.

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Reply #108 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 5:12pm
 
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they stated that they had consumed about 20 alcoholic drinks with drugs as chasers.


Rank amateurs.
I've always had my drugs first and then the 20 alcoholic drinks as chasers.
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Reply #109 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 5:15pm
 
Culture Warrior wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 4:15pm:
Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:29pm:
Culture Warrior wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:21pm:
Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:18pm:
Every action has a reaction. The cops start chasing the stolen car. The driver decides to attempt a getaway via the footpath.

The police should be aware of their actions and the consequences that may ensue.

I will never promote police brutality under any circumstances, it's an ugly road we are going down.

I'm not even getting involved in the criminal aspects of this scenario, we all know the law was being broken, it's the police brutality that worries me.

I know if you had the chance you would have everyone armed and ready to defend themselves from the criminal hoards, but I prefer an ordered and civilized society, where criminals are apprehended lawfully and dealt with via the court system.

We really can't go around shooting all suspects or offenders, as much as it would free up the prison system, it's just not right.


Do you have any sympathy at all for those who were hit by the car and the owner of the car that was stolen?





Yes I do. I would hate to get hit by a car or to have my car stolen, it's very inconvenient and a bloody nuisance.

If I was the person hit by that car at the Cross, I would be p1ssed at the cops for giving chase in a built-up pedestrian area....idiots. The lady would not have been hit if there was no chase. The person may or may not have got their car back, but would have got the insurance for it.

I've seen cases where the cops call off a chase for a stolen car because it was too dangerous, and blow me down with a straw, the car was recovered and no one was injured.

Too much testosterone and not enough brains in the case of the Kings Cross saga.

They just killed two innocent people last week by giving chase to a stolen car. Do they ever learn?



It's strange that you're only willing to use cause and effect up to a certain point in this incident.

Why halt it at the point of the chase and not the stealing of the car?


The stealing of the car hurt no one. No one was hurt until the police got involved.

If someone stole a loaf of bread and took off in a non stolen car, should the police give chase? They are things, just replaceable things.
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Reply #110 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 5:26pm
 
You'd think the smart thing to do when being chased in a stolen car in a nightclub precinct would be to abandon vehicle and belnd into the sea of people.
But I guess that's why I'm a free man and they're getting shot and locked up.
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Reply #111 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 6:57pm
 
Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 5:15pm:
Culture Warrior wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 4:15pm:
Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:29pm:
Culture Warrior wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:21pm:
Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:18pm:
Every action has a reaction. The cops start chasing the stolen car. The driver decides to attempt a getaway via the footpath.

The police should be aware of their actions and the consequences that may ensue.

I will never promote police brutality under any circumstances, it's an ugly road we are going down.

I'm not even getting involved in the criminal aspects of this scenario, we all know the law was being broken, it's the police brutality that worries me.

I know if you had the chance you would have everyone armed and ready to defend themselves from the criminal hoards, but I prefer an ordered and civilized society, where criminals are apprehended lawfully and dealt with via the court system.

We really can't go around shooting all suspects or offenders, as much as it would free up the prison system, it's just not right.


Do you have any sympathy at all for those who were hit by the car and the owner of the car that was stolen?





Yes I do. I would hate to get hit by a car or to have my car stolen, it's very inconvenient and a bloody nuisance.

If I was the person hit by that car at the Cross, I would be p1ssed at the cops for giving chase in a built-up pedestrian area....idiots. The lady would not have been hit if there was no chase. The person may or may not have got their car back, but would have got the insurance for it.

I've seen cases where the cops call off a chase for a stolen car because it was too dangerous, and blow me down with a straw, the car was recovered and no one was injured.

Too much testosterone and not enough brains in the case of the Kings Cross saga.

They just killed two innocent people last week by giving chase to a stolen car. Do they ever learn?



It's strange that you're only willing to use cause and effect up to a certain point in this incident.

Why halt it at the point of the chase and not the stealing of the car?


The stealing of the car hurt no one. No one was hurt until the police got involved.

If someone stole a loaf of bread and took off in a non stolen car, should the police give chase? They are things, just replaceable things.


LOL, can you really be this dim?

If the car was not stolen the rest fails to eventuate. Your cause and effect, starts with the stolen car.

STEP 1 = Steal car

Precursor to car chase = steal car

So simple.

No stolen car = no chase.

You can't ingonre this bacis step of your action/reaction balony. It IS the FIRST action.

Sheesh.
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Reply #112 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 7:07pm
 
Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 5:11pm:
I understandy. They are criminals with a capital C.

I have never once stated anything different to that fact. The fact is they are criminals.

I'm not even saying the shooting was wrong.

The chase in a built up area is wrong.
Essentially what the cops have done is go to a gas leak with a lighted match.

At the end of the day, it is us that pay. The family of the mother and daughter that were killed in WA will get a lot of compensation.

The cops job is to stop crime, not create it. They are police, they seem to think it's a war and they're the military.

There are a lot of grey areas and we have to look at all the bits of any scenario.

Should the cops give chase in high density traffic and pedestrian areas?

I say NO, it is far too risky for all concerned.
Cops are there to arrest criminals AND to protect citizens. They failed.


If you think they should give chase under any circumstances, then I beg to differ and leave it that.



Are you suggestion we open a drive through police station, where the crims come to you? The cops job is to catch the bad guy .. the day they stop chasing, we loose. All a crook has to do to avoid going to jail is run ...

That cop deserves a medal
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Reply #113 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 7:08pm
 
Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 5:15pm:
Culture Warrior wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 4:15pm:
Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:29pm:
Culture Warrior wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:21pm:
Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 3:18pm:
Every action has a reaction. The cops start chasing the stolen car. The driver decides to attempt a getaway via the footpath.

The police should be aware of their actions and the consequences that may ensue.

I will never promote police brutality under any circumstances, it's an ugly road we are going down.

I'm not even getting involved in the criminal aspects of this scenario, we all know the law was being broken, it's the police brutality that worries me.

I know if you had the chance you would have everyone armed and ready to defend themselves from the criminal hoards, but I prefer an ordered and civilized society, where criminals are apprehended lawfully and dealt with via the court system.

We really can't go around shooting all suspects or offenders, as much as it would free up the prison system, it's just not right.


Do you have any sympathy at all for those who were hit by the car and the owner of the car that was stolen?





Yes I do. I would hate to get hit by a car or to have my car stolen, it's very inconvenient and a bloody nuisance.

If I was the person hit by that car at the Cross, I would be p1ssed at the cops for giving chase in a built-up pedestrian area....idiots. The lady would not have been hit if there was no chase. The person may or may not have got their car back, but would have got the insurance for it.

I've seen cases where the cops call off a chase for a stolen car because it was too dangerous, and blow me down with a straw, the car was recovered and no one was injured.

Too much testosterone and not enough brains in the case of the Kings Cross saga.

They just killed two innocent people last week by giving chase to a stolen car. Do they ever learn?



It's strange that you're only willing to use cause and effect up to a certain point in this incident.

Why halt it at the point of the chase and not the stealing of the car?


The stealing of the car hurt no one. No one was hurt until the police got involved.

If someone stole a loaf of bread and took off in a non stolen car, should the police give chase? They are things, just replaceable things.


tell that to the owner of the car
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Reply #114 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 7:10pm
 
Bottom line....They drank...they knocked down the party drugs

The drove...

They got busted

They got shot and one also got a hiding

End of sad saga for the Born Losers
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Reply #115 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 7:13pm
 
red baron wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 7:10pm:
Bottom line....They drank...they knocked down the party drugs

The drove...

They got busted

They got shot and one also got a hiding

End of sad saga for the Born Losers


and if more of them copped a hiding when they were teenagers, the jails wouldn't be so full ....
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Reply #116 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 7:32pm
 
<<STEP 1 = Steal car

Precursor to car chase = steal car>>
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So now we're relying on the crims to do the right thing. Good luck with that. I just don't think they're responsible enough.
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Reply #117 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 7:35pm
 
great one wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 7:13pm:
red baron wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 7:10pm:
Bottom line....They drank...they knocked down the party drugs

The drove...

They got busted

They got shot and one also got a hiding

End of sad saga for the Born Losers


and if more of them copped a hiding when they were teenagers, the jails wouldn't be so full ....


Did you watch the docudrama Samson and Delilah?

Maybe it's the endless hidings that lead to the trouble. Just a thought.

I know some people who didn't get their teenage hiding, they turned out pretty good.
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Reply #118 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 7:41pm
 
Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 7:32pm:
<<STEP 1 = Steal car

Precursor to car chase = steal car>>
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So now we're relying on the crims to do the right thing. Good luck with that. I just don't think they're responsible enough.


LOL, the most pathetic deflection in forum history.

Your whimpering white flag aint worth having.

....we need a puke icon....

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Reply #119 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 7:45pm
 
Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 7:35pm:
great one wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 7:13pm:
red baron wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 7:10pm:
Bottom line....They drank...they knocked down the party drugs

The drove...

They got busted

They got shot and one also got a hiding

End of sad saga for the Born Losers


and if more of them copped a hiding when they were teenagers, the jails wouldn't be so full ....


Did you watch the docudrama Samson and Delilah?

Maybe it's the endless hidings that lead to the trouble. Just a thought.

I know some people who didn't get their teenage hiding, they turned out pretty good.


there is no rule that will work for everyone ... you need to look after the majority .. i know kids that copped a hiding and turned out pretty good (wait, thats me ) .

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