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Question: What should be done about Israel/Palestinians?



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Israel and the Palestinians
Apr 16th, 2012 at 9:38am
 
Comon. Its been going forever. Heres what I have gathered about the "conflict".

The israelis threw the palestinians out of the city in a fit of hitler-like pique and caused them to settle outside the city. Then they tried to take even that land and build on it. Obviously the palestinians dont have the arsenal of israel but they do what they can. Israel responds with overwhelming force that is uncalled for and the world supports them because of some religious book saying they better or else.

That about it?

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Reply #1 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 9:52am
 
What about the "Two State Solution" as an option?
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Reply #2 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 9:56am
 
Added. I knew I forgot something.

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Reply #3 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 10:21am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 9:52am:
What about the "Two State Solution" as an option?



They dont want it.
It has been offered to them.
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Reply #4 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 10:25am
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 10:21am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 9:52am:
What about the "Two State Solution" as an option?



They dont want it.
It has been offered to them.

I guess both sides need to try harder.
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Reply #5 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 10:30am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 10:25am:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 10:21am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 9:52am:
What about the "Two State Solution" as an option?



They dont want it.
It has been offered to them.

I guess both sides need to try harder.



Giving them Gaza and the West Bank - totally for free and not under any military pressure - is not enough?
What is their response to be given back Gaza?
Fire over 3,000 missiles in to South Israel.

Hamas still call for destruction of all Israel.

What more can we do?
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Reply #6 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 10:33am
 
Totally for free? Where else were they going to go?

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Reply #7 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 10:37am
 
BorgCatMan,
Itís not even worth talking about with Avram because he has too much bias on the situation.

I would say let Iran nuke them all because nothing is ever going to change unless the Israelis kill all the Palestinians themselves,
but then Iran doesnít even have a nuke and has stated that it wants the regime to go not the people of Israel.

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Reply #8 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 10:53am
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 10:37am:
BorgCatMan,
Itís not even worth talking about with Avram because he has too much bias on the situation.

I would say let Iran nuke them all because nothing is ever going to change unless the Israelis kill all the Palestinians themselves,
but then Iran doesnít even have a nuke and has stated that it wants the regime to go not the people of Israel.



Lol. Yeah. We could always give them one. . . .

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Reply #9 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 10:54am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 10:33am:
Totally for free? Where else were they going to go?

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Who say we had to give it to them?
Jordan did not before 1967, nor did Egypt.

Yet we do. We could keep it and have them live under Israeli rule.

But no we give to them. How do they reply?
Fire rockets into our country.
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Reply #10 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 10:56am
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 10:54am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 10:33am:
Totally for free? Where else were they going to go?

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Who say we had to give it to them?
Jordan did not before 1967, nor did Egypt.

Yet we do. We could keep it and have them live under Israeli rule.

But no we give to them. How do they reply?
Fire rockets into our country.


You kicked them out in the cold.

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Reply #11 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 11:01am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 10:56am:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 10:54am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 10:33am:
Totally for free? Where else were they going to go?

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Who say we had to give it to them?
Jordan did not before 1967, nor did Egypt.

Yet we do. We could keep it and have them live under Israeli rule.

But no we give to them. How do they reply?
Fire rockets into our country.


You kicked them out in the cold.

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Gaza - before 1967 was control by Egypt.
West Bank - before 167 was control by Jordan.

We give them their own country for first time.

We did not have to.
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Reply #12 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 11:07am
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 11:01am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 10:56am:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 10:54am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 10:33am:
Totally for free? Where else were they going to go?

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Who say we had to give it to them?
Jordan did not before 1967, nor did Egypt.

Yet we do. We could keep it and have them live under Israeli rule.

But no we give to them. How do they reply?
Fire rockets into our country.


You kicked them out in the cold.

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Gaza - before 1967 was control by Egypt.
West Bank - before 167 was control by Jordan.

We give them their own country for first time.

We did not have to.


No. You are right. You could have left them where they were. Wouldnt that have been better?

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Reply #13 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 11:19am
 
They are there.

West Bank and Gaza.
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Reply #14 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 9:21pm
 
1. 2/3 of the original 'Palestine' (i.e. after the British left) is now modern day Jordan, look at the trans Jordan part of Palestine on a map of 1947 borders.
2. 'Palestinians' are effectively Jordanian seperatist anti-monarchists who unsuccessfully tried to assassinate the Jordanian king and were expelled as a result.
3. They settled west bank+gaza as a result of their expulsion.
4. After the 67' war Israel decided to offer Jordanians living in those territories passports to stay in Israel, offer them hospitals, roads, education etc. in order to integrate them into Israeli society. The reason for this is because that generation remembered the holocaust and understood what it means to expel people (which is precisely what the Jordanians did). They did not plan for letting Palestinians live in peace to not be enough (as it would have been for jews in Nazi Germany).
5. The 'Palestinians' (i.e. anti-monarchist Jordanians) are demanding land from Israel. Funnily enough, 2/3 of PALESTINE was Jordanian.

I find it amazing how the Palestinians are not demanding land from Jordan.

The correct response from Israel (and unfortunately it is not one of the options in the poll) is to send in the tanks, take the land back, create a bunch of refugees and propose a two state solution with Jordan  contributing 2/3 of the new state from its own territory. Either that or tell the Jordanian anti-monarchists to go back to Jordan...

This is of course not practicable because all the humanists (along with the UN) will jump up and down. So instead we keep the status quo. Israel's hands are tied by the US and the media.

The Palestinians are not a nation or a people. They have little if any connection to the west bank or gaza. They should not have a flag or a state (in any capacity). And just an interesting observation, look at the Palestinian flag and compare to the Jordanian flag...copy much?

Arabs support them because of the philosophy 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'. Nobody likes Israel in that region. So anyone who makes trouble for them is welcome.

Pity that there are so many people out there who think 'Palestinians' are entitled to a state made of entirely Israeli land.

And before you start to tell me that Israel unjustly acquired the land, keep in mind that ALL land was acquired unjustly (but this is a completely separate issue).
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