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Re: Islamic Afterlife
Reply #60 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 11:57am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 10:43am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 8:03pm:

falah wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 7:51pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 5:35pm:

Falah can you please accept that is not what atheists believe tho,

As soon as you tell us what atheists do believe.

Falah,
What of you're not an atheist - you just don't believe in any fairy tales?

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Oh well, I guess you can't expect everyone to be intelligent enough to ask the question: "How did I get here?"

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Re: Islamic Afterlife
Reply #61 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 12:05pm

falah wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 11:57am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 10:43am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 8:03pm:

falah wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 7:51pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 5:35pm:

Falah can you please accept that is not what atheists believe tho,

As soon as you tell us what atheists do believe.

Falah,
What of you're not an atheist - you just don't believe in any fairy tales?

Bump.

Oh well, I guess you can't expect everyone to be intelligent enough to ask the question: "How did I get here?"

Hasn't anyone taken the time Falah, to explain the "Birds & the Bees" to you yet?

Now, on a serious matter, no matter how much you believe, nor in what religion you believe in, once your dead that's it, there is no more!

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Re: Islamic Afterlife
Reply #63 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 4:14pm

falah wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 11:57am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 10:43am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 8:03pm:

falah wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 7:51pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 5:35pm:

Falah can you please accept that is not what atheists believe tho,

As soon as you tell us what atheists do believe.

Falah,
What of you're not an atheist - you just don't believe in any fairy tales?

Bump.

Oh well, I guess you can't expect everyone to be intelligent enough to ask the question: "How did I get here?"

I know the answer - there is no reason.

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Re: Islamic Afterlife
Reply #64 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 4:56pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 9:47pm:

I think if women are virtuous and good they get to be with their husbands in heaven.

With the virgins.

I am not kidding.

Is that right Falah?

You would have to share your husband with his other wives and the houris,he will have an everlasting erection thanks to allah.

If a muslim man dies happy with his wife then she can go to paradise if she has been a good muslimah.
If this woman remarries and is also widowed with her husband being happy with her at the time of death then who gets her in paradise, is it the first husband or the second?

Abu-Falah-Annie can you answer who gets the wife in paradise if she was married twice and provide Quran or hadith verses?

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Re: Islamic Afterlife
Reply #65 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 6:13pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 8:44am:

So all the references to women and heaven are from hadith?

72 virgins for a man and the woman gets stuck with the same wanker she had to endure for 50 years in life.

Think about it, Falah. Does that make sense to you?

No Annie. Not the same one. He is now sex crazed - with 100 X his original sex drive. And his poo doesn't stink. And the sun shines out his arse. And he is not jealous of anything.

Falah, if he has no reason to be jealous, does that mean the wife can also have sex with other men?

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Reply #66 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 6:21pm

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 6:13pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 8:44am:

So all the references to women and heaven are from hadith?

72 virgins for a man and the woman gets stuck with the same wanker she had to endure for 50 years in life.

Think about it, Falah. Does that make sense to you?

No Annie. Not the same one. He is now sex crazed - with 100 X his original sex drive. And his poo doesn't stink. And the sun shines out his arse. And he is not jealous of anything.

Falah, if he has no reason to be jealous, does that mean the wife can also have sex with other men?

I did a (very) quick check through Wikipedia today. I'm sure Abu and Falah will tell me if I'm wrong, but apparently there is no number of Houri'in (sp?) mentioned in the Quran.

Neither does it say whether they are male of female, but they are spoken of in feminine language.

Just like there's no mention of stoning for adultery.
The Quran completes or perfects Islam - surely these things would get a mention if they were legit.

Those ahadith have a lot to answer for. They're like Chinese whispers for female oppression.

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Re: Islamic Afterlife
Reply #67 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 6:27pm

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Do you really not see a difference between the expectation of Muslims (not God) with regards to women and patience and men and patience?

That is kind of trivial compared to the other differences - eg 4 wives, one husband, needing your owner's permission to go outside etc.

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I am not talking about Islam. I am talking about Muslims. Ahadith. Patriarchal, misogynistic interpretation.

Islam itself seems far more mysoginistic than Muslims. Or at least, Abu's and Falah's interpretation does. And they are the ones who want to stone people to death for having a different interpretation - which tends to make them the winners in arguments about Islam.

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Those ahadith have a lot to answer for. They're like Chinese whispers for female oppression.

They oppress everyone, including Arab male muslims.

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Re: Islamic Afterlife
Reply #68 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 8:15pm

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 6:27pm:

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Do you really not see a difference between the expectation of Muslims (not God) with regards to women and patience and men and patience?

That is kind of trivial compared to the other differences - eg 4 wives, one husband, needing your owner's permission to go outside etc.

Owner's permission? I guess you think that's funny. I'm not seeing it.

Lots of Muslim men will tell you that a woman's patience in the situations you mention are her ticket to heaven.

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Those ahadith have a lot to answer for. They're like Chinese whispers for female oppression.

They oppress everyone, including Arab male muslims.

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Perhaps, but to nowhere near the same extent.

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Re: Islamic Afterlife
Reply #69 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 8:25pm

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Owner's permission? I guess you think that's funny.

I don't think it's funny. There are a lot of things that a woman has to get her owner's (father, husband, etc) permission for. This also applies to women why interpret Islam differently.

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Perhaps, but to nowhere near the same extent.

Islam is called submission for a reason. The more you agree with it and appear (from the outside) to benefit from being on top, the more you end up bowing down. At least a disobedient woman is allowed her own thoughts.

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Re: Islamic Afterlife
Reply #70 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 8:34pm

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I don't think it's funny. There are a lot of things that a woman has to get her owner's (father, husband, etc) permission for. This also applies to women why interpret Islam differently.

Women are responsible for themselves in Islam. Or they should be, at any rate.

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Islam is called submission for a reason. The more you agree with it and appear (from the outside) to benefit from being on top, the more you end up bowing down. At least a disobedient woman is allowed her own thoughts.

You won't hear me arguing with you about that.

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Re: Islamic Afterlife
Reply #72 - Apr 17^th, 2012 at 11:15am

falah wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 7:45pm:

Incomptinence wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

All the reward afterlifes in religions have things I don't even want

Nothing you want?

Therein you shall have (all) that your inner‑selves desire, and therein you shall have (all) for which you ask. An entertainment from (God), the Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”
[The Quran, Fussilat v. 31-32]

Yeah that part, you really don't want that. It would break you.

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